Re: (TV) punk

[Noah Lopez <noahl@U.Arizona.EDU>]

Agreed. I mean look what he says about Gang of Four's
"Entertainment": "this was the record that made critics convinced
that it was safe to go looking for music that wasn't bristling
with energy and speed"...huh? His review of that album alone made
me want to stop reading.

What's really dumb about this list, is that the guy doesn't have
the balls to stand by his convictions. I mean, if you don't think
"Marquee Moon" is a good record (or the Slits or any other group
he halfheartedly includes), stand by that instead of copping out
with the "I feel obligated" nonsense.

I feel like I need to wash my eyes out with lye after reading
that crap.

noah



On Tue, 19 Sep 2000, eric s gregory wrote:

> don't have much time here, on my way to work...but some
> quick thoughts:
> the list obviously illustrates this guy's "punk"
> predilections more than anything else (isn't that what these
> lists are all about anyhow??: one's tastes/obsessions acting
> as ciphers for identity hollers? (ie. look at me!)).
> & i ain't gonna argue with his "taste"...i've owned or own
> at least a third to half these records myself.
> but what struck me as slightly disturbing was his not so
> subtle prejudice against what he derogatorily perceives as
> "art" punk/rock (& i ain't talking king crimson or faust,
> etc. here).
> he begrudgingly accepts the fall's 1st, marquee moon, blank
> generation into the top 100, but it's a backhanded
> gesture....he argues they don't really fit & he don't really
> listen to em much, too arty, blah blah blah.
> this wouldn't have really struck me much a coupla yrs ago
> cos i woulda thought he was just an old OI! boy all grown up
> but unable to shed his "roots"...
> but even here in portland, oregon, on many levels of the
> "punk" rock scene, you can find this pretty ridiculous
> belief that if something's cerebral or poetic by nature, it
> can't be true "punk" or "street" or "working class" or
> (insert tired anti-intellectual street badge /handle here).
> in all likelihood, i'm making more of this than needs
> be...perhaps this is my very own "shout at the world" (which
> would also include "fuck listmaking!")....but it's curious
> that alot of the "new rock"/punk indie bands currently
> tearing up (the west coast, at least) america are more often
> than not; dead boys carbon copies....& either unaware or
> dismissive of hell, verlaine, smith, pere ubu, et al...
> 
> & in the end, it's songwriting that saves the day.
> 
> 
> Jeremy Smith wrote:
> > 
> > Its an interesting list with some stuff I haven't heard of for ages, e.g.,
> > the Lurkers, Eater
> > 
> > I counted up and have got 39 of them. Not sure if this is a boast or whether
> > it just indicates how sad I am keeping all this stuff.
> > 
> > Jeremy
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <jpontrelli@nallmiller.com>
> > To: <tv@obbard.com>
> > Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 7:54 PM
> > Subject: (TV) punk
> > 
> > > argue amongst yourselves; one person's opinion on top 100 punk records
> > >
> > > http://www.hiljaiset.sci.fi/punknet/top100lp.htm
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