Re: (TV) punk

["Nick Powell" <nick@powelln.freeserve.co.uk>]

Wot no Big Boys, Husker Du, Big Boys, Minor Threat, Big Boys, Dag Nasty(1st
Album). I really can't be arsed to go back to the website and check but I
think he even left off the Dead Kennedys!!
Great punk did not finish in the 70s. Not in the States anyway.
-----Original Message-----
From: Noah Lopez <noahl@U.Arizona.EDU>
To: tv@obbard.com <tv@obbard.com>
Date: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: (TV) punk


>
>Agreed. I mean look what he says about Gang of Four's
>"Entertainment": "this was the record that made critics convinced
>that it was safe to go looking for music that wasn't bristling
>with energy and speed"...huh? His review of that album alone made
>me want to stop reading.
>
>What's really dumb about this list, is that the guy doesn't have
>the balls to stand by his convictions. I mean, if you don't think
>"Marquee Moon" is a good record (or the Slits or any other group
>he halfheartedly includes), stand by that instead of copping out
>with the "I feel obligated" nonsense.
>
>I feel like I need to wash my eyes out with lye after reading
>that crap.
>
>noah
>
>
>
>On Tue, 19 Sep 2000, eric s gregory wrote:
>
>> don't have much time here, on my way to work...but some
>> quick thoughts:
>> the list obviously illustrates this guy's "punk"
>> predilections more than anything else (isn't that what these
>> lists are all about anyhow??: one's tastes/obsessions acting
>> as ciphers for identity hollers? (ie. look at me!)).
>> & i ain't gonna argue with his "taste"...i've owned or own
>> at least a third to half these records myself.
>> but what struck me as slightly disturbing was his not so
>> subtle prejudice against what he derogatorily perceives as
>> "art" punk/rock (& i ain't talking king crimson or faust,
>> etc. here).
>> he begrudgingly accepts the fall's 1st, marquee moon, blank
>> generation into the top 100, but it's a backhanded
>> gesture....he argues they don't really fit & he don't really
>> listen to em much, too arty, blah blah blah.
>> this wouldn't have really struck me much a coupla yrs ago
>> cos i woulda thought he was just an old OI! boy all grown up
>> but unable to shed his "roots"...
>> but even here in portland, oregon, on many levels of the
>> "punk" rock scene, you can find this pretty ridiculous
>> belief that if something's cerebral or poetic by nature, it
>> can't be true "punk" or "street" or "working class" or
>> (insert tired anti-intellectual street badge /handle here).
>> in all likelihood, i'm making more of this than needs
>> be...perhaps this is my very own "shout at the world" (which
>> would also include "fuck listmaking!")....but it's curious
>> that alot of the "new rock"/punk indie bands currently
>> tearing up (the west coast, at least) america are more often
>> than not; dead boys carbon copies....& either unaware or
>> dismissive of hell, verlaine, smith, pere ubu, et al...
>>
>> & in the end, it's songwriting that saves the day.
>>
>>
>> Jeremy Smith wrote:
>> >
>> > Its an interesting list with some stuff I haven't heard of for ages,
e.g.,
>> > the Lurkers, Eater
>> >
>> > I counted up and have got 39 of them. Not sure if this is a boast or
whether
>> > it just indicates how sad I am keeping all this stuff.
>> >
>> > Jeremy
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: <jpontrelli@nallmiller.com>
>> > To: <tv@obbard.com>
>> > Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 7:54 PM
>> > Subject: (TV) punk
>> >
>> > > argue amongst yourselves; one person's opinion on top 100 punk
records
>> > >
>> > > http://www.hiljaiset.sci.fi/punknet/top100lp.htm
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