(TV) 'Helpless' & 'Knockin' on Heaven's Door'

["Casey, Leo J" <CaseyL@VOLPE.DOT.GOV>]

Raymond my man, 

You know when I saw the movie "The Last Waltz" yesterday 
as I sat in the darkened theater listening to Mr. Young 
sing 'Helpless', I thought that dirty bastard Neil-- he stole 
the whole freakin' melody of his song from Dylan's 
'Knockin' On Heaven's Door'.

So when I saw your post a few minutes ago, I thought I'll have 
to tell Raymond that he's got it reversed. But I just double 
checked [my middle name these last 3 weeks], and Raymond you 
are indeed right; it's Dylan who stole the melody from Neil.

>From GOOGLE search of various Neil Young and Dylan web sites 
as well as the d American Music Guide (AMG) web site:
 
*Jul 13, 1973 (release) inprint, KNOCKIN' ON HEAVEN'S DOOR 
(Words and Music by Bob Dylan) 1973, 1976 Ram's Horn 

Date of Release  Mar 11, 1970 (release) inprint Dij` vu 
Crosby Stills Nash & Young*

However--any chance Mr. Zimmerman wrote his song's melody 
before Neil's, but Dylan then waited for movie, "Pat Garrett & 
Billy the Kid" before deciding to released his version after Neil?  

(I.e., any bootleg LPs or CDs of early Dylan before 1971 where his 
song 'Knockin' On Heaven's Door' (or an different version of it) 
appears? [I release Dylan ostensibly "WROTE" 'Knockin' for the film 
"Pat Garrett & Billy the Kid" which was released on  Jul 13, 1973]  

Anyone know?

	Leo  
 



-----Original Message-----
From: Raymond [mailto:ray@wavewalker.freeserve.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 4:59 PM
To: tv@obbard.com
Subject: Re: (TV) The Last Waltz


i'd say Van definitely steals the show though there's plenty of great
moments to savour (if you pass over the Neil Diamond/Ronnie Hawk segments of
course) - it's a great advertisement for not taking cocaine mind- watch and
marvel in particular at Neil Young as he wanders onstage to sing "helpless"
( thereby showing Dylan a chord sequence he will later nick wholesale for
"Knocking on heavens' door") totally out of his gourd and with some of
Colombia's finest export still sticking very visibly to his snozzer

God bless Richard M. and Rick D. they're very much missed....

----- Original Message -----
From: Casey, Leo J <CaseyL@VOLPE.DOT.GOV>

> Just got back from a 3 hour lunch break (I'm bad, I know) during
> which I saw the 2002 reissue of the film, The Band:  The Last Waltz"
> on the big movie screen in Cambridge.
> Highly recommend it even if you've seen the VHS 1978 version.
> All the performers were as great as I remembered them.
> Robbie Robertson plays some wonderful  guitar especially with
> Dylan on "Baby Let Me Follow You Down"; Van Morrison is also
> outstanding.
>
> Leo
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