Re: More on TV & Smith/Smith's schtick / RE: (TV) Patti w/ Tom show suggestion

[Robin Dunn <rdunnrn@yahoo.com>]

Okay, Leo, just a brief answer here from my phone:

1.  Patti really doesn't look any worse than Tom.  It's just female artists are rarely allowed to look human. 

2.  I always read all your posts all the way through.  Okay, not always the super tech ones. 

3. I actually have an assignment for you, something to help this moribund list.   How about accumulating all the new TV-related shows that surface over the year, and treeing (or something) an annual update to the Big One.   You'd be perfect for doing this.  I'd help.  I just think the few obsessives here are gonna start feeling bad once they realize they don't have everything in one place.  

4.  Another Patti dispute:  I really don't think she's a "great" poet; she may not even be a great person, idk.  But she does put on a great rock and roll show. 





Sent from my iPhone.

On Dec 27, 2011, at 12:34 PM, "Leo Casey" <LeoCasey@comcast.net> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Regarding: If you guys know of other dates w/ Tom playing w/ her that you
> would consider 'essential' to hear, please list them on here so that I can
> find them.
> 
> This is probably more than you d like to know.
> 
> I am probably in the minority, but I have always been very disappointed in
> recordings of Smith shows when Tom was in her touring band.  Number one:  I
> can never hear him!; he's buried in the mix; and two:  he keeps such a low
> profile, in fact, he goes way, way overboard in trying not to step musically
> on Lenny Kaye's toes.
> 
> I have:
> 1)   Patti Smith - Alive In 95 #1: December 9, 1995, The Patti Smith
> GroupVerlaine On 2nd1 Lead Electric GuitarThe Orpheum Theater, Boston,
> MassachusettsBut Audio Cassette2 (Analog) [Leo in audience] 
> 
> 2)  June 19, 1996, Patti Smith GroupVerlaine On 2nd2 Lead Electric
> GuitarThe Late Show With David Letterman, tv-show, CBS, NYCVHS4
> Cassette
> 
> 3)  July 30, 1996, The Patti Smith GroupVerlaine On 2nd3 Lead Electric
> GuitarThe Tempodrome, Berlin, GermanyDVD11    
> 
> 4)  August 1, 1996, The Patti Smith GroupVerlaine On 2nd4 Lead Electric
> GuitarThe Rai Congrescentrum, Amsterdam, The Netherlands
> 
> 5a)  August 2, 1996, The Patti Smith GroupVerlaine On 2nd5 Lead Electric
> GuitarDutch-tv Broadcast, The Rai Congrescentrum, Amsterdam, The
> NetherlandsHalf Is Smith InterviewDVD12  
> 
> 5b)  August 2, 1996, The Patti Smith GroupVerlaine On 2nd5 Lead Electric
> GuitarDutch-tv Broadcast, The Rai Congrescentrum, Amsterdam, The
> Netherlands
> 
> 6a)  June 25, 2005, The Patti Smith GroupVerlaine On 2nd6 Lead Electric
> GuitarThe Meltdown Festival, Royal Festival Hall, London, EnglandDVD14.
> 
> 
> 6b)  June 25, 2005, The Patti Smith GroupVerlaine On 2nd6 Lead Electric
> GuitarThe Meltdown Festival, Royal Festival Hall, London,
> EnglandAudio-Only9  
> 
> 7) December 6, 2005, The Patti Smith GroupVerlaine On 2nd7 Lead Electric
> GuitarLate Night With Conan OBrien, tv-show, NBC, NYCRedondo
> BeachDVD16 Singleton
> 
> 
> I guess I could/recommend the Aug. 1, 1996 show.
> 
> By the way, I just finished a new Smith biography, Dancing Barefoot; it was
> very well-written but it just reinforced in my mind how over-rated Smith is
> as a musical performer/singer/songwriter.  Her whole schtick I find tiresome
> and pretentious.  I think Johnny Rotten got it right when he's quoted in the
> book:  "Just a bunch of bullshit going on about 'Oh yeah, when I was in High
> School', 2 out of 10 for effort.".  
> 
> Or this from Melody Maker:  "Horses is all that is wrong with rock and roll
> right now .... There's no way that the completely contrived and affected
> 'amateurism' of Horses constitutes good rock and roll.  That old 'so bad
> it's good' aesthetic has been played to death.  Horses is just bad.
> Period/".
> 
> She's a great poet, a great humanitarian, and supposedly a great person, but
> it ain't enough for me. As a songwriter: I'll give her 'People Have The
> Power', 'Dancing Barefoot', and 'Because the Night' [but which Springsteen
> wrote half of] as great; the rest of her oeuvre is pedestrian, and no great
> melodies.
> 
> Why am I being so mean and risking the wrath of all the Smith fans and esp.
> the women on this List?  Because I can.  Both Lists are moribund; no one
> ever reads any of these posts, or if they do, never past the first paragraph
> as Leif Joley [smile].  And while I'm at it, the fact that "Just Kids" won
> the book award shows how far the awarders' literature standards have fallen.
> Also, "Patti, you need to go on a diet; you look like shit and as if you've
> been living on Krespe Cremes!"
> 
> Leo
> 
> PS:  Below is a list all Verlaine appearances as a musician on Smith tours.
> 
> 
> **Appearances By Tom Verlaine** Playing 2nd Lead Electric Guitar In Patti
> Smiths Band, 1995 - 1996, 2005 - 2006, 2008, And 2009
> 
> 7 December 1995, ONeill Center, Danbury, CT, USA
> 
> 8 December 1995, Worcester Auditorium, Worcester, MA, USA
> 
> 9 December 1995, Orpheum Theater, Boston, MA, USA
> 
> 10 December 1995, Orpheum Theater, Boston, MA, USA  Opening Act for Dylan
> tour [Leo attended]
> 
> 11 December 1995, Beacon Theater, New York, NY, USA
> 
> 13 December 1995, Stabler Arena, Lehigh University, Bethlehem, PA, USA
> 
> 14 December 1995, Beacon Theater, New York, NY, USA
> 
> 15 December 1995, Electric Factory, Philadelphia, PA, USA
> 
> 16 December 1995, Electric Factory, Philadelphia, PA, USA
> 
> 17 December 1995, Electric Factory, Philadelphia, PA, USA
> 
> ............................................................................
> 
> 
> 19 March 1996, Warfield Theater, San Francisco, CA, USA
> 
> 23 March 1996, Wiltern Theater, Los Angeles, CA, USA
> 
> 19 June 1996, Late Night with Letterman, US TV
> 
> 21 June 1996, Irving Plaza, New York, NY, USA
> 
> 22 June 1996, Irving Plaza, New York, NY, USA
> 
> 30 June 1996, Orange Stage, Roskilde Festival, Roskilde, Denmark
> 
> 2 July 1996, Olympia, Paris, France
> 
> 3 July 1996, Olympia, Paris, France
> 
> 8 July 1996, Foro Italico, Rome, Italy
> 
> 9 July 1996, Teatro Romano, Verona, Italy
> 
> 11 July 1996, Festa dellUnita, Corregio, Italy
> 
> 12 July 1996, Villa Arconati, Bollate, Milan, Italy
> 
> 
> 23 July 1996, E-Werk, Kvln, Germany 
> 
> 24 July 1996, Casino Ostend, Ostend, Belgium
> 
> 26 July 1996, Paleo Festival, Nyon, Switzerland
> 
> 29 July 1996, Palacy Kultury, Prague, Czech Republic
> 
> 30 July 1996, Tempodrome, Berlin, Germany
> 
> 1 August 1996, Musikhalle, Hamburg, Germany
> 
> 2 August 1996, Rai Congrescentrum, Amsterdam, Netherlands 
> 
> 7 November 1996, Museum of Modern Art, New York, NY, USA
> 
> ..............................
> NO 1997  2004 TOM VERLAINE APPEARANCES WITH PATTI SMITH
> ............................................................................
> 25 June 2005, Meltdown Festival, Royal Festival Hall, London, UK
> 
> 29 June 2005, Parco di Palazzo Antonini, Universit` degli Studi, Udine,
> Italy
> 
> From The Wonder:  http://www.thewonder.co.uk/facts/index.htm
> 
> 16 August 2005, The Dome, Brighton, England   
> 
> 28 August 2005, Train, Erhus, Denmark 
> 
> 29 August 2005, Amager Bio, Copenhagen, Denmark 
>  [Continued on next page]
> 14 October 2005, Fusebox, 32ste Filmfestival van Gent, Theaterzaal Vooruit,
> Ghent, Belgium
> 
> 21 November 2005, Madison Square Garden, New York, NY, USA
> 
> 22 November 2005, Madison Square Garden, New York, NY, USA
> 
> 30 November 2005, Howard Gilman Opera House, Brooklyn Academy of Music
> (BAM), New York, NY, USA
> 
> 6 December 2005, Late Night with Conan 0Brien, NBC TV, USA
> 
> 9 November 2006, Avery Fisher Hall, New York, NY, USA
> 
> 31 December 2006, Bowery Ballroom, New York, NY, USA
> .........................................................
> No Tom Verlaine appearances in Patti Smiths Band in  2007.
> ..................
> 5 April 2008, Sala Grande, Teatro Arena del Sole, Bologna, Italy
> ............................................................
> BUT No other 2009 - 2011 TOM VERLAINE APPEARANCES WITH PATTI SMITH.
> 
> 
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> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 11:37 AM
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> Subject: Re: (TV) Patti w/ Tom show suggestion
> 
> I would suggest for your listening pleasure that you get this Patti Smith
> show
> off of Dime.  It's listed as Patti Smith 1996-07-26 Paleo Festival Nyon CH
> and
> it's one of the shows w/ Tom on guitar.  And whatever she pays him to play
> w/
> her she gets more than her money's worth as he adds so much to her songs.
> In
> particular her cover of "When Doves Fly" is amazing and they go into this
> reggae beat part way through.  Anyway it's a great show.
> 
> If you guys know of other dates w/ Tom playing w/ her that you would
> consider
> 'essential' to hear, please list them on here so that I can find them.
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