Re: (TV) anecdotes re. Tom Verlaine from Larry Butler's(of Warner Bros.)book,via Lefsetz

[Bob Beatty <bobjb2002@yahoo.ca>]

Deb:
Interesting question. I don't know the true answer to which bands were first
after Television to play CBGBs, but The Ramones were surely among the
earliest,
& my guess would be they were next to play there after Television started. And
my guess about Patti is she may have started singing there some weeks or
months later. Maybe someone else here knows more about this-?
[Re. "What I Heard",  I don't know anything about the song. Luckily, Leo &
Keith know some details about it].

--- On Mon, 7/16/12, postitnote <postitnote@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

From: postitnote <postitnote@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: (TV) anecdotes re. Tom Verlaine from Larry Butler's(of  Warner
Bros.)book,via Lefsetz
To: tv@obbard.com
Received: Monday, July 16, 2012, 5:24 PM

When I read the first part of this, I also thought, man that sounds
bogus...Tom suggesting those other bands to Hilly, huh? 

Patti was one of the first ones to join in over there, right?  Or was it The
Ramones?


--- On Mon, 7/16/12, Bob Beatty <bobjb2002@yahoo.ca> wrote:

> From: Bob Beatty <bobjb2002@yahoo.ca>
> Subject: (TV) anecdotes re. Tom Verlaine from Larry Butler's(of Warner 
Bros.)book,via Lefsetz
> To: tv@obbard.com
> Date: Monday, July 16, 2012, 11:32 AM
> Music & music biz opinionator Bob
> Lefsetz mentioned this in yesterday's
> edition of his Lefsetz Letter he sends out free by email:
> http://lefsetz.com/wordpress/index.php/archives/2012/07/15/lying-2/
> QUOTE: "Ibm reading Larry Butlerbs book. 'Larry Butler,
> whobs that?' Mr.
> Butler was an artist development guy at Warner Brothers
> forever, when it
>  was
> still the WB we knew and loved. And before that he was a
> musician,
> he opened
> for the Stones! Well, Ibm getting ahead of myself. You see
> thatbs a story
> Larry tells in his book. Itbs full of nuggets.
>  The basic concepts are not
> new, but itbs a fun read, to find out Hilly
> Kristal was an unwitting
> beneficiary of Tom Verlainebs inability to find
>  anywhere to feature
> Television. Yup, Verlaine asked Hilly to play at
> CBGB, a relatively dead bar,
> on a dead night, Monday, and Television
> played to the usual suspects, a dozen
> friends of the band. But amongst
> that group was a reporter for the "Village
> Voice". Who concocted the
> story that Liza Minnelli had been seen there, back
> when she actually was
>  a scenester, and the venue filled up the following
> week. And eventually
>  Hilly asked Tom if he knew of any other acts that could
> play. Tom said
> Blondie, the Ramones, Talking Heads, Patti Smithb&and
> the
> rest is
> history."
>
> -Then Lefsetz published an interesting response
> http://lefsetz.com/wordpress/index.php/archives/2012/07/15/lying-2/
> from Talking Heads'B  Chris Frantz after Frantz read
> the above passage about
> Tom Verlaine.
>
> CHRIS FRANTZ QUOTE: "Greetings from France, Bob. I remember
> Larry Butler well.
> We visited
> many a radio station and record store together promoting
> Talking
> Heads.
> Hebs a good guy and I look forward to reading his book. Let
> me just
> say
> one thing about Tom Verlaine, though. I donbt think Tom
> ever
> recommended
>  any band to play CBGBs and certainly not Talking Heads. I
> was the
> one
> who approached Hilly on our bandbs behalf. As far as I know,
> Tom
> Verlaine has never done a single favor for anyoneb&not
> even himself.
> Cheers,
> Chris Frantz"
> -That last line Frantz wrote's an "ouch" zinger ("...not
> even himself")!
> Before reading Frantz's response, I didn't think Butler's
> account sounded
> right either, as I'd never heard or read anything before
> suggesting Tom
> recommended other bands to Hilly Kristal in the early days.
> And I recall from
> the Ramones doc. "End of the Century", Joey Ramone
> explaining how they first
> found out about CBGB from seeing an ad in the Village
> VoiceB  advertising
> Television playing there. He didn't say anything about Tom
> acting on behalf of
> the Ramones to help get them gigs by recommending them to
> Hilly. As we know,
> Dee Dee Ramone had once auditioned as a bass player for
> Television, I guess it
> was before Hell joined.
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