Re: (TV) anecdotes re. Tom Verlaine from Larry Butler's(of Warner Bros.)book,via Lefsetz

[Bob Beatty <bobjb2002@yahoo.ca>]

[correction to my prior post below, which should read]:
 "...Blondie (as "The Stillettos")
opened for Television May 5, 1974, 3+ months before The Ramones ever played
there."


--- On Wed, 7/18/12, Bob Beatty <bobjb2002@yahoo.ca> wrote:

From: Bob Beatty <bobjb2002@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: (TV) anecdotes re. Tom Verlaine from Larry Butler's(of    Warner
Bros.)book,via Lefsetz
To: tv@obbard.com
Received: Wednesday, July 18, 2012, 8:05 PM

Interesting factoids you cite, DayMarRnR. My uninformed guess was wrong re.
The Ramones being  first band to play CBGB after Television. For instance, I
see in the Wikipedia CBGB article you cite that Blondie (as "The Stillettos")
opened for Television May 5, 1974, 5 months before The Ramones ever played
there, & about 5 weeks after Television's first CBGB gig you found the March
30 '74 date for.
[I hope my apostrophes aren't going to mysteriously all turn into "b"s again
today as they did yesterday in messages posted to this MM/TV mailing list. I
don't know what might have caused that.]

-- On Tue, 7/17/12, DavMarRnR <davmarrnr@aol.com> wrote:

From: DavMarRnR <davmarrnr@aol.com>
Subject: Re: (TV) anecdotes re. Tom Verlaine from Larry Butler's(of   Warner
Bros.)book,via Lefsetz
To: "tv@obbard.com" <tv@obbard.com>
Received: Tuesday, July 17, 2012, 4:54 PM

As far as a cbgb's timeline, a quick check of several sources has TV making
their debut there 3/30/74

Ramones 8/16/74 (per Love Goes To Building On Fire-Will Hermes book p. 71)

Patti Smith 2/14/75 per Wikipedia.





On Jul 17, 2012, at 1:08 PM, Bob Beatty <bobjb2002@yahoo.ca> wrote:

> Deb:
> Interesting question. I don't know the true answer to which bands were
first
> after Television to play CBGBs, but The Ramones were surely among the
> earliest,
> & my guess would be they were next to play there after Television started.
And
> my guess about Patti is she may have started singing there some weeks or
> months later. Maybe someone else here knows more about this-?
> [Re. "What I Heard",  I don't know anything about the song. Luckily, Leo &
> Keith know some details about it].
>
> --- On Mon, 7/16/12, postitnote <postitnote@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> From: postitnote <postitnote@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: (TV) anecdotes re. Tom Verlaine from Larry Butler's(of  Warner
> Bros.)book,via Lefsetz
> To: tv@obbard.com
> Received: Monday, July 16, 2012, 5:24 PM
>
> When I read the first part of this, I also thought, man that sounds
> bogus...Tom suggesting those other bands to Hilly, huh?
>
> Patti was one of the first ones to join in over there, right?  Or was it
The
> Ramones?
>
>
> --- On Mon, 7/16/12, Bob Beatty <bobjb2002@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
>> From: Bob Beatty <bobjb2002@yahoo.ca>
>> Subject: (TV) anecdotes re. Tom Verlaine from Larry Butler's(of Warner
> Bros.)book,via Lefsetz
>> To: tv@obbard.com
>> Date: Monday, July 16, 2012, 11:32 AM
>> Music & music biz opinionator Bob
>> Lefsetz mentioned this in yesterday's
>> edition of his Lefsetz Letter he sends out free by email:
>> http://lefsetz.com/wordpress/index.php/archives/2012/07/15/lying-2/
>> QUOTE: "Ibm reading Larry Butlerbs book. 'Larry Butler,
>> whobs that?' Mr.
>> Butler was an artist development guy at Warner Brothers
>> forever, when it
>> was
>> still the WB we knew and loved. And before that he was a
>> musician,
>> he opened
>> for the Stones! Well, Ibm getting ahead of myself. You see
>> thatbs a story
>> Larry tells in his book. Itbs full of nuggets.
>> The basic concepts are not
>> new, but itbs a fun read, to find out Hilly
>> Kristal was an unwitting
>> beneficiary of Tom Verlainebs inability to find
>> anywhere to feature
>> Television. Yup, Verlaine asked Hilly to play at
>> CBGB, a relatively dead bar,
>> on a dead night, Monday, and Television
>> played to the usual suspects, a dozen
>> friends of the band. But amongst
>> that group was a reporter for the "Village
>> Voice". Who concocted the
>> story that Liza Minnelli had been seen there, back
>> when she actually was
>> a scenester, and the venue filled up the following
>> week. And eventually
>> Hilly asked Tom if he knew of any other acts that could
>> play. Tom said
>> Blondie, the Ramones, Talking Heads, Patti Smithb&and
>> the
>> rest is
>> history."
>>
>> -Then Lefsetz published an interesting response
>> http://lefsetz.com/wordpress/index.php/archives/2012/07/15/lying-2/
>> from Talking Heads'B  Chris Frantz after Frantz read
>> the above passage about
>> Tom Verlaine.
>>
>> CHRIS FRANTZ QUOTE: "Greetings from France, Bob. I remember
>> Larry Butler well.
>> We visited
>> many a radio station and record store together promoting
>> Talking
>> Heads.
>> Hebs a good guy and I look forward to reading his book. Let
>> me just
>> say
>> one thing about Tom Verlaine, though. I donbt think Tom
>> ever
>> recommended
>> any band to play CBGBs and certainly not Talking Heads. I
>> was the
>> one
>> who approached Hilly on our bandbs behalf. As far as I know,
>> Tom
>> Verlaine has never done a single favor for anyoneb&not
>> even himself.
>> Cheers,
>> Chris Frantz"
>> -That last line Frantz wrote's an "ouch" zinger ("...not
>> even himself")!
>> Before reading Frantz's response, I didn't think Butler's
>> account sounded
>> right either, as I'd never heard or read anything before
>> suggesting Tom
>> recommended other bands to Hilly Kristal in the early days.
>> And I recall from
>> the Ramones doc. "End of the Century", Joey Ramone
>> explaining how they first
>> found out about CBGB from seeing an ad in the Village
>> VoiceB  advertising
>> Television playing there. He didn't say anything about Tom
>> acting on behalf of
>> the Ramones to help get them gigs by recommending them to
>> Hilly. As we know,
>> Dee Dee Ramone had once auditioned as a bass player for
>> Television, I guess it
>> was before Hell joined.
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