Re: (TV) Philosophical (?) Question, or, A Question, Anyway

[robin dunn <rdunnrn@yahoo.com>]

thanks, deb and all, for the confirmation (great quotes, leo).  i just wondered if i was alone in my thinking.

when i think back to listening as a kid, in the early eighties, tom's guitar seemed totally out of another zone.  no one else played like him.  and it wasn't just really different -- it was really beautiful, just mesmerizing.  lyrical.

i think tom is somewhat singular in pointing rock guitar into a new direction.  it isn't an influence i see much in the eighties, but definitely in ninties- and forward indie bands from all over.

i'd also say, tom's style seems less overtly masculine than what was being done before.  maybe less muscular?  but i think it was a sound that carried over well (pun sort of intended) with a lot of female indie guitarists -- carrie brownstein, mary timony.  those sounds seem very natural coming from women.

a note to scott -- i agree that richard supercedes tom in many ways as a player.  i'm not sure if it's correct to say, but i might say he is better technically.  and he certainly catches fire (more likely always smoldering) more often than tom.  and he's kept his fire, which is more than tom.  unfortunately i think he's also set a few fires.









--- On Fri, 11/16/12, postitnote <postitnote@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> From: postitnote <postitnote@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: (TV) Philosophical (?) Question, or, A Question, Anyway
> To: tv@obbard.com
> Date: Friday, November 16, 2012, 9:04 AM
> I also think that Robin is pretty
> spot on w/ this.  And I also so love the solo on "The
> Fire".  The love the entire song too.  And I don't
> have the quotes like Leo does, but we know Thurston Moore of
> Sonic Youth was very much influenced by Tom.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- On Fri, 11/16/12, Russ <russvr@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Russ <russvr@gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: (TV) Philosophical (?) Question, or, A
> Question, Anyway
> > To: tv@obbard.com
> > Date: Friday, November 16, 2012, 6:10 AM
> > I find similarities abound in the
> > playing of Verlaine, Thompson, and Fripp
> > - even if the sound itself that they make is different
> by
> > 180 degrees, the
> > modalities, the scalar knowledge, and the eases with
> which
> > those scales
> > are translated to melodic statements are shared deeply
> by
> > those three
> > guitarists, Lloyd is the fire-cracker, too. Lloyd is
> > fantastic but his
> > playing is muscle compared to Verlaine's neuronic ( ;-)
> )
> > style.
> > 
> > 
> > On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 10:54 PM, Leo Casey <LeoCasey@comcast.net>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > Robin, I'm with you all the way.
> > >
> > > " . . . the only guitarist I heard who was saying
> > something musically. . .
> > > .
> > > I was very influenced by Tom Verlaine-not
> > stylistically, but in terms of
> > > approach and tearing up the rule-book." ---Dave
> (The
> > Edge) Evans
> > >
> > > "Moby: I think my favorite guitar player of all
> time,
> > though, would be Tom
> > > Verlaine.
> > >
> > > "Interviewer: What is it about him that grabs
> you?
> > >
> > > "Moby: It's the fragile beauty of the way he
> plays
> > guitar. From a technical
> > > perspective he's very good, but more than that,
> just
> > the emotional ... the
> > > quality of pathos to the way he plays guitar."
> > >
> > > Leo
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: tv-owner@obbard.com
> > [mailto:tv-owner@obbard.com]
> > On Behalf Of robin
> > > dunn
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 11:42 PM
> > > To: tv@obbard.com
> > > Subject: (TV) Philosophical (?) Question, or, A
> > Question, Anyway
> > >
> > > I'm relaxing and listening to "Adventure" (red
> vinyl,
> > 1978) and thinking
> > > that the solo in "The Fire" might be my favorite
> > Television solo.  Which
> > > led
> > > me to thinking:
> > >
> > > Tom really took guitar, soloing in particular, in
> a new
> > direction.  I just
> > > feel like all the indie bands learned from him,
> even if
> > they didn't know
> > > they did.  He went in a direction that was
> > strikingly different from the
> > > blues based rock and metal riffs everyone was
> recycling
> > (punk included).
> > > Post-Hendrix, post-punk.
> > >
> > > At the same time, I'm imagining that I'm
> forgetting a
> > bunch of folks.  Who
> > > did this with Tom?  Richard Thompson? 
> Robert
> > Fripp?
> > >
> > > If anyone can follow what I'm saying.  My
> powers
> > of communication may not
> > > be
> > > at their height right now.
> > >
> > > And now I'm thinking the solo in "Dream's Dream"
> might
> > be my favorite...
> > >
> > > I should add, I absolutely love Richard's playing
> -- I
> > actually really
> > > loved
> > > his Hendrix release.  But, I don't feel
> Richard's
> > playing is as distinctive
> > > in direction as Tom's.
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