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Re: (TV) Re: Winter Hours
Yeah it was '86 I believe. I actually have a tape of that show.
We didn't play Rochester too often. It's a long trek. I remember we
were trying to figure out what was wrong with some of the people there.
They seemed to be a bit crazed. maybe you can explain. The DJ from the
local college station said it was something in the drinking water.
What do you think? M T C
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>From: Eric Gregory <egregory@standard.com>
>To: "'tv@obbard.com'" <tv@obbard.com>
>Subject: RE: (TV) Re: Winter Hours
>Date: Thu, Jan 20, 2000, 2:07 PM
>
>i actually saw you guys around 85/86...i think it was in rochester, ny (my
>hometown)...everything i ever read mentioned REM...have to say i didn't see
>it beyond the obvious kinda folkrock references....
>
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: MICHAEL CARLUCCI [mailto:subterraneannyc@mindspring.com]
>Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2000 10:53 AM
>To: tv@obbard.com
>Subject: Re: (TV) Re: Winter Hours
>
>
> Sad to say I have no extra copies of any of the records. With the
>exzception of a few of the indi records most are out of print. I believe
>CD now has the "Wait Till The Morning" CD produced by Bongos founder
>Rob Norris(also a post-Lou Velvets alumni). Our Chrysalis Record I believe
>was our best but unfortunately like most new bands we were a tax write off
>right from the start. Not too mention that our manager and A&R rep were
>pals and probably struck up a deal so that they'd both make money. I know
>I probably sound like Tom here, but I really believe this. When the record
>was finished we never saw our A&R guy again. He was useless anyway, but
>still
>we needed him to go to bat for us and he didn't. Anyway, our last 3 LP's
>went
>from # 8, to #6 to # 4 in the Rolling Stone alternative charts. The
>comparisons
>were anywhere from Television to Richard Thompson to the Moody Blues and of
>course for those lame-ass critics who couldn't think for themselves R.E.M..
>Thius
>really use to piss me off. Almost every band that had 2 guitar players in
>the
>early to late 80's automatically sounded like R.E.M. I once complained to
>Michael
>Stipe about this who always defended us in the press. He thought it was very
>unfair
>that no just Winter Hours but Miracle Legion, O-Positive, Dreams So real,
>and
>even later Rain Parade records all were compared to REM. Stipe did what he
>could
>but the critics were just not all that creative. Nowawdays it seems most
>bands
>get compared to Pavement. Oh Lester Bangs where is thy soul? You'd think
>this guy
>would've made more of an impression on rock critics, apparently not. Anyway,
>I
>probably went on far too long here. But I always get a bit riled up when I
>think
>of all the work that we put into the indi thing which took us 6 long years
>to get
>ourselves onto the Rolling Stone top 10 and in less than 6 months Chrysalis
>Records
>tore it all down. There are at least 100 stories like this from college rock
>bands
>in the 80's. So if you're on an indi label, stay there. There's nothing the
>majors
>can do for you now that you can't do yourself. Thanks all, M T C
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>>From: serovner@mindspring.com
>>To: tv@obbard.com
>>Subject: (TV) Re: Winter Hours
>>Date: Thu, Jan 20, 2000, 10:08 AM
>>
>
>>Mike,
>>
>>I seem to recall that the Winter Hours albums received favorable reviews in
>
>>the press, but for some reason I never picked them up. I also never
>>realized that you were in the band. If I had, I would have bought
>>truckloads of them! How can we folks on the list get a listen to the
>>material? Got any extra copies laying around?
>>
>>Steve
>>
>>
>>tv@obbard.com wrote:
>>> My band Winter Hours was fortunate enough to do a one month
>>tour across the USA with Translator back in 1988. They were the
>>most inspirational band we ever opened for. Eery night was different.
>>The guitar playing between the two Steve and Bob was fabulous. If they
>>locked in, there was nothing finer. They has one song that Bob wrote that
>>was my favorite "Lazurus". It was breath taking. There is the perfect case
>>of a band that tried to do what they wanted after having a AOR hit and the
>>label 415/CBS squashed them like mosquitos. Each new LP sold less then the
>>one before until they broke up in 1989 which was great for Winter Hours
>>because we were able to recruit Dave Sheff(Translators drummer) and with
>>Lenny
>>Kaye and Chrysalis Records, make the finest record of our career. Dave was
>>brilliant and powerful. He was totally in tune to his surroundings. Even
>>still,
>>I was saddened by the bands break up. There weren't many bands like them
>>around.
>>Guitar solos(thanks to REM) were pretty much unheard of at that time.
>>Translator were
>>like the Grateful Dead of the Alternative/College Radio scene. I for one
>>miss them.
>>I especially love their last LP which was recorded live in the studio. True
>>story:
>>I once asked Steve barton how the song "Everywhere That I'm Not" came
>about.
>>It came
>>to him in a dream He was sleeping and was awoken from his sleep by this
>>dream, picked up
>>his guitar, wrote the song is 10 minutes, recorded it on a casstte player
>>and went back to
>>bed. Those types of songs are the best when they just come to you and all
>>the pieces
>>just meld together. And a great song that is. I wonder what they're up to
>>now?
>>I'd heard they were reforming around 1993 or '94 but that was it. Haven't
>>heard
>>anything since. Too bad. I may have a soundboard tape or two around of them
>>if
>>anyone's interested. It may take a while to locte them but it would be
>worth
>>the
>>effort. Bye, M T C
>>
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>>>From: jpg@sirius.com
>>>To: tv@obbard.com
>>>Subject: Re: (TV) Mr. Obbard wrote:
>>>Date: Wed, Jan 19, 2000, 9:33 PM
>>>
>>
>>>How about another very good unnoticed band: Translator.
>>>They came out about the same time as REM , but suffered from being in San
>>>Francisco in
>>>the '80s. Steve Barton, their chief song writer had a fabulous way with
>words and
>>>rhythm.
>>>Any comments?
>>>
>>>MICHAEL CARLUCCI wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> >Just discovered
>>>> >"Another Girl, Another Planet"
>>>> >>>
>>>> >
>>>> >Now you need to discover the band; The Only Ones are something special
>>>> >
>>>> > Now there's a band that went completely unnoticed. It's a damn
>shame too.
>>>> These guys had it all. In their short lived career they made 3
>magnificent
>>>> LP's
>>>> and a handful of singles. One single that brings tears to my eyes is the
>>>> single
>>>> with Peter Perrett and Pauline Murray doing the song "Fools". What a
>great
>>>> song.
>>>> Their last LP "Baby's Got A Gun" went straight to the toilet the week it
>was
>>>> released. There were more promos around then stock copies. Too bad cause
>it
>>>> was their
>>>> finest LP to date. Then there were the "Even Serpents Shine" and the 1st
>LP,
>>>> the
>>>> latter with Another Girl, Another Planet which has some of the finest
>chord
>>>> changes known to man. Peter Perrett was/is one of Rock & Roll's
>greatest
>>>> unsung
>>>> heroes. When the Only One's appeared at max's kansas City around the
>time of
>>>> their 3rd album there might've been 30 people in the audience. What a
>cryin'
>>>> shame.
>>>> As far as I know there K only releases of their 3 official LP's plus a
>>>> fabulous
>>>> live album. For anyone whoever cared about good, understated guitar
>music,
>>>> this
>>>> is your band. Thanks, M T C
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> >BTW, upon repeated listenings to "Other Voices" (the new Patti Smith
>>>song with Tom
>>>> on lead guitar), it has to be one of Tom's most un-inspired moments. As
>>>> mentioned
>>>> earlier, if I didn't know that it was Tom Id've never guessed it. It may
>as
>>>> well
>>>> have been Oliver or Lenny playing the solo. I pains me to say this.
>Despite
>>>> this,
>>>> the song is one of Patti's finest in many years.
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
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