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Re: (TV) Junkies as such



Michael,
I don't work in a used record store. I don't collect other  people's detritus ,
trivia  , etc. and resell it. Whose calling who a junkie?
Gimme a break!!

MICHAEL CARLUCCI wrote:

>     You mean as opposed to more dirt? Going thru these "Scags" dirty
> laundry? More dirt, more dirt as I recollect? That in itself is a
> disease and a sickness not much different than a junkies fix for dope.
> Same fix different high. M T C
>
> BTW, Ginsberg did dabble and use. Re-check. Maybe not full blown but he
> did dabble and with speed as well. Not everything is in plain black & white.
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> >From: jpg@sirius.com
> >To: tv@obbard.com
> >Subject: Re: (TV) Junkies as such
> >Date: Sat, Feb 19, 2000, 12:39 AM
> >
>
> >Michael,
> >I talked about junkies.
> >By the way check your junkie history Ginsberg ain't no junkie.
> >Secondly, I think we spend too much time being in awe of such folks as
> >Thunders, Dee Dee, etc.  A junkie in my book is a scag, smack freak who needs
> >to lie, cheat and steal. A junkie is a diseased human being who for the most
> >part has lost all semblance of civility. That's why I don't dig them. Perhaps
> >I've known to many of them and I 've seen too many of them to find what you may
> >call "genius"  attractive. Like I once said seediness is not attractive.
> >Needles, vomit, spent matches and bent spoons, abscesses and lies do not
> >entitle you to stardom. Most of the characters we talk about on this thread are
> >at best bit players. Pure and simple.
> >Now if it takes myself and my thoughts to get this lukewarm thread going so be
> >it.
> >
> >"Michael T. Carlucci" wrote:
> >
> >>     I don't recall who wrote about junkies being useless and why would
> >> anyone
> >> want to talk to or listen to a bunch of junkies. I can give you 4 good
> >> reasons
> >> 1. Bob Dylan on Blonde On Blonde LP
> >> 2. The Beatles(Lennon) on The White Album LP
> >> 3. The Stones(Keith) -Let it Bleed thru Exile On Main St. LP's
> >> 4. Velvet Underground(Lou Reed)- V. U. & Nico LP
> >>
> >>     Not to mention Richard Hell, Johnny Thunders, and The Ramones. Then in
> >> the
> >> literary field we have Jack Kerouac, Jim Carroll, Hunter S. Thompson, Allen
> >> Ginsberg, and of course who could forget William Burroughs.
> >>
> >>     With a roster like this I'm ready to take a snort myself. Actually,
> >> junkies are like
> >> most other people. They're your next door neighbor, your local taxi driver,
> >> subway
> >> drivers, lawyers, doctors, etc. etc. They come in all guises. What makes an
> >> obsessed
> >> record collector or gambler or television junkie any better than a person
> >> who
> >> does heroin? So long as the heroin addict isn't stealing from me, killing
> >> innocent
> >> people,  or hurting anyone else who cares. Does drinking alcohol(an
> >> addictive drug)
> >> sound better? Hardly. I'd rather talk with a junky any day over an
> >> alcoholic, though
> >> I sympathize with them both. Neither one really wants to be where they are.
> >> But
> >> once you're in it, it ain't easy to get out of. It eases the pain of perhaps
> >> a gruelling
> >> world, hectic lifestyle, the pressures of Wall Street. Pay a visit to an A A
> >> meeting
> >> and just listen in, you just might learn something. Doctors prescribe
> >> billions of dollars
> >> in drugs every year. But because it's a doctor who's doling out the pills
> >> it's okay. BULL!
> >> It ain't okay. That's what killed Elvis. He took pills to wake up from being
> >> to hung
> >> over from pills that put him to sleep. Every day was a vicious cycle. He
> >> never saw
> >> himself as a drug addict. He saw the Beatles and the Stones as drug addicts
> >> who were
> >> corrupting the American child's fragile eggshell mind. Here was Elvis fat
> >> and bloated
> >> with his eyes at half mast talking to President Nixon about the evils of
> >> drugs, yet he
> >> never even thought for a moment that he was a drug addict himself.
> >>
> >>     Anyway, I've known a few junkies in my day and I just have to say, don't
> >> criticize
> >> them until you've been there. They've been places you can only dream about
> >> and
> >> most have no regrets even after they've cleaned up. Thank goodness for
> >> people
> >> like Keith Richards who's allowed people to live vicariously through him
> >> without
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