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Re: (TV) Junkies as such
You mean as opposed to more dirt? Going thru these "Scags" dirty
laundry? More dirt, more dirt as I recollect? That in itself is a
disease and a sickness not much different than a junkies fix for dope.
Same fix different high. M T C
BTW, Ginsberg did dabble and use. Re-check. Maybe not full blown but he
did dabble and with speed as well. Not everything is in plain black & white.
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>From: jpg@sirius.com
>To: tv@obbard.com
>Subject: Re: (TV) Junkies as such
>Date: Sat, Feb 19, 2000, 12:39 AM
>
>Michael,
>I talked about junkies.
>By the way check your junkie history Ginsberg ain't no junkie.
>Secondly, I think we spend too much time being in awe of such folks as
>Thunders, Dee Dee, etc. A junkie in my book is a scag, smack freak who needs
>to lie, cheat and steal. A junkie is a diseased human being who for the most
>part has lost all semblance of civility. That's why I don't dig them. Perhaps
>I've known to many of them and I 've seen too many of them to find what you may
>call "genius" attractive. Like I once said seediness is not attractive.
>Needles, vomit, spent matches and bent spoons, abscesses and lies do not
>entitle you to stardom. Most of the characters we talk about on this thread are
>at best bit players. Pure and simple.
>Now if it takes myself and my thoughts to get this lukewarm thread going so be
>it.
>
>"Michael T. Carlucci" wrote:
>
>> I don't recall who wrote about junkies being useless and why would
>> anyone
>> want to talk to or listen to a bunch of junkies. I can give you 4 good
>> reasons
>> 1. Bob Dylan on Blonde On Blonde LP
>> 2. The Beatles(Lennon) on The White Album LP
>> 3. The Stones(Keith) -Let it Bleed thru Exile On Main St. LP's
>> 4. Velvet Underground(Lou Reed)- V. U. & Nico LP
>>
>> Not to mention Richard Hell, Johnny Thunders, and The Ramones. Then in
>> the
>> literary field we have Jack Kerouac, Jim Carroll, Hunter S. Thompson, Allen
>> Ginsberg, and of course who could forget William Burroughs.
>>
>> With a roster like this I'm ready to take a snort myself. Actually,
>> junkies are like
>> most other people. They're your next door neighbor, your local taxi driver,
>> subway
>> drivers, lawyers, doctors, etc. etc. They come in all guises. What makes an
>> obsessed
>> record collector or gambler or television junkie any better than a person
>> who
>> does heroin? So long as the heroin addict isn't stealing from me, killing
>> innocent
>> people, or hurting anyone else who cares. Does drinking alcohol(an
>> addictive drug)
>> sound better? Hardly. I'd rather talk with a junky any day over an
>> alcoholic, though
>> I sympathize with them both. Neither one really wants to be where they are.
>> But
>> once you're in it, it ain't easy to get out of. It eases the pain of perhaps
>> a gruelling
>> world, hectic lifestyle, the pressures of Wall Street. Pay a visit to an A A
>> meeting
>> and just listen in, you just might learn something. Doctors prescribe
>> billions of dollars
>> in drugs every year. But because it's a doctor who's doling out the pills
>> it's okay. BULL!
>> It ain't okay. That's what killed Elvis. He took pills to wake up from being
>> to hung
>> over from pills that put him to sleep. Every day was a vicious cycle. He
>> never saw
>> himself as a drug addict. He saw the Beatles and the Stones as drug addicts
>> who were
>> corrupting the American child's fragile eggshell mind. Here was Elvis fat
>> and bloated
>> with his eyes at half mast talking to President Nixon about the evils of
>> drugs, yet he
>> never even thought for a moment that he was a drug addict himself.
>>
>> Anyway, I've known a few junkies in my day and I just have to say, don't
>> criticize
>> them until you've been there. They've been places you can only dream about
>> and
>> most have no regrets even after they've cleaned up. Thank goodness for
>> people
>> like Keith Richards who's allowed people to live vicariously through him
>> without
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