Re: (TV) Jesse / Batman Authorship / Dr. No / Back On Topic: Lloyd or Verl aine Playing Infamous Riff?!?:

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Paul Weller wrote the Batman theme! ;o)

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Casey, Leo J" <Leo.J.Casey@Volpe.dot.gov>
To: <tv@obbard.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 2:19 AM
Subject: (TV) Jesse / Batman Authorship / Dr. No / Back On Topic: Lloyd or
Verl aine Playing Infamous Riff?!?:


> There is a pretty 'strong' On Topic (Lloyd) piece at
> the bottom of this e-mail so jump ahead if Batman
> arcana puts you to sleep.
>
> Jesse, I gotta defer to you--- you are definitely
> the Batman expert. Obviously, over the years, you
> were interested in investigating much more than the
> tv show.
>
> Where did you get all this info and fascinating
> stuff on the **authorship/creator** question; is
> there web-site or a couple of books about all this?
>
> I'd be nuts not to take advantage of the opportunity
> to ask you a couple of question.
>
> I remember being in a book store in Harvard Sq. in
> the 1980s, and seeing a thick hardcover book that
> contained a synopsis of every Batman story from the
> very beginning (1941?) up until that time (including
> I think all the Batman stories in "World's Finest"
> Comics, and "Detective Comics. I think the book had
> other info as well---and I think it was titled
> something like "The Batman Dictionary" (Or
> "Encyclopedia"?).  I was in Graduate school with no
> money so I didn't buy it, but have always kinda
> regretted it.  Despite trying several times to
> locate a used copy in some comic book stores (even
> tryng e-bay once), I have never seen it again.
>
> Do you know anything about this book?
>
> (Also, do any of our more technically minded
> know how to cleverly alter  r fool a read-only
> cd that I bought with files containing a copy
> of every panel/frame of every volume, over 50
> years, of a comic Book series?  The actual
> picture files --a strange file extension name
> each take a huge number of k bytes on my hard
> drive.  It's drastically impacting my home PC's
> memory and speed.  Unfortunately, the stranger,
> who sold it to me used a blank cd-r with (heated)
> white 'paint' on it, which I know will make
> the cd-r degrade soon!  But these files won't
> allow me to burn them to another disc.)
>
> The stuff on Kane getting credit, when
> others did the majority if not almost all
> of the creative work, reminds me a lot
> of the early Disney animators' situation.
> Back then  they drew each animation-cell
> by hand in gorgeous detail [no cheap, skimpy,
> and repeating over-and-over scenic backgrounds
> as in the later Hanna Barbara[s[p?]Studios'
> cartoons. Prime example of the Disney animators
> labors is "Pinocchio" [1939?].  Walt Disney
> exploited these guys, and took all the
> credit---unlike Kane's Batman,  Disney didn't even
> originate the story of Pinocchio, [the Brothers
> Grimm?] (About 15 years ago Disney lawyers
> threatened to sue a restaurant owner on Cape Cod
> if he didn't change the name of his restaurant
> from "Gepetos'".)
>
> There was also the Disney employee who drew
> (and wrote) those fabulous "Uncle
> Scrooge (Mc Duff)" comic books of the 1950s
> and 60s---his name was [something] Banks.
>
> I was trying to find out more about the origin
> of the guitar riff in the first James Bond movie,
> "Dr, No".
>
> MM Lister BlackMonk wrote:
> >The riff on the bass strings from the Dr. No
> >theme? Vic Flick.
>
> I wasn't actually asking about the 'Dr. No Theme',
> which is a different track from the Bond's Theme
> on the record--- but---it was the guitarist,
> Vic Flickin The John Barry's Orchestra, who played
> both guitar on both of those tracks (but definitely
> lead guitar on the Bond Theme--not bass).
>
> Flick's web-site says:
> Monty Norman was contracted to compose the first
> Bond film, "Dr. No". Three weeks before the
> film's release date, the main theme of James Bond
> remained uncompleted. Film producer, Cubby Broccoli,
> contacted [John ] Barry and commissioned him to
> complete a suitable final score. With the aid of
> Flick's excellent guitar skills, they finished
> the score in time, and went on to make movie history.
>
> **Flick performed the legendary Bond theme on what
> he refers to as a "big, blonde f-hole Clifford Essex
> Paragon Cello-Bodied guitar, fitted with a DeAmond
> Volume Pedal into a Vox 15-Watt Amplifier."** [I bet
> Richard or Tom or you musicians on the List know
> what Flick's talking about.]
>
>
> Now for the Bob Kane/Disney/Monty Norman
> 'authorship'/creator similarities.
>
> Monty Norman did *not* write, compose, or orchestrate,
> or play on (Barry's) "The James Bond Theme" that
> appeared in "Dr. No" (and in most of the subsequent
> Bond movies).  But Norman was given total credit for
> this track, and has received all royalties from it from
> 1962 to this day.
>
> In fact, there's a fascinating web-site that I stumbled
> upon yesterday
>  http://www.geocities.com/jaoll/barry/lawsuit.htm which
> has a detailed description of a late 1996[?] trial in
> which Monty Norman sued the Sunday London Times for a
> long story they had written written in which they gives
> Barry sole credit.
>
> The jury asked the judge how much Mr. Norman had
> received over the years for just this single disputed
> track. Norman, who was only able to find his
> accountant's' records from 1976-1996, said he had
> received over 1.5 million pounds!  (If only Tom
> could one mass-appeal song like that he'd be golden.)
>
> Barry, already a zillionaire by now from his prolific
> soundtrack composing career, was not interested in the
> Bond Theme royalties, he just wanted to be given proper
> credit after 34 years and to protect the Sunday Times.
>
> So, of course, as in the OJ, Michael Jackson, and
> Robert Blake trials, justice is not done, and the
> jury finds  in favor of Norman and the Times had to
> pay him for its "slur" on his 'authorship'.
>
> Finally, more about Batman and Robin----no just
> kidding and testing Listers' patience in case
> anyone ever read this far. Jesse wrote:
> >Do you mean [Television playing the James Bond
> Theme] at times other >than as the lead-in to
> (very secret-agenty) "Call Mister Lee"?
>
> Yes and No.
> Last night, I remembered there was a relatively
> long snippet of the entire band playing The
> James Bond Theme at the March 20, 2002,
> Irving Plaza, NYC show, which I attended.
>
> After years (3+ wasted decades?) of listening to
> Television's studio and other recordings, I've
> reached the point where I'm fuckin' sick to death
> of their songs------no just kidding----the point
> where I'm 97.63% certain that I can tell when it's
> Lloyd playing lead and when it's Verlaine playing l
> ead.  But I'm a little stumped about the Bond
> guitar riff from the March 20, 2002 show.
>
> Yes, at almost all concerts Lloyd plays the lead on
> "Call Mr. Lee", and in the credits of their 1992
> Capitol album, T.V. gives credit for the album's music
> to the band (and in one of The Wonder's 1992 interviews
> with T.V., he says or implies that the genesis of the
> song's solo was Richard (Keith might know the interview).
>
> However, I have watched in-person as well as some video
> footage of several live performances of the song,
> and on more than one occasion Tom does the solo on "Call
> Mr. Lee"---it's even obvious to a non-musician guitar
> dunce like me--if you watch his fingers.  At the March 20,
> 2002 show, it's definitely Lloyd doing the long, stellar
> solo on the song, BUT the solo then ends and then segways
> very soon afterwards into the band playing a considerable
> piece of the Bond riff--but this time it could very well
> be be Verlaine taking it (not that it at all matters) as R
> ichard's solo has ended .
>
> Does does anyone know? (my memory fails me on this one.)
>
> I think Mr. Obbard, who attended that particular show
> should take a quick break from packing all those boxes,
> and go and stare very intensely at his framed cardboard
> cover of the vinyl version of MM on his hallway wall,
> until he passes into a hypnotic state, and then his wife
> (or whoever is helping him pack )will slowly take him
> step-by-step back to that night at Irving Plaza--and then
> whisper into his left ear,  "Who was playing which parts
> that night on 'Call Mr, Lee' "?  That's the only way to
> definitively settle this---although I hope others will
> post some votes.
>
> There is at least one other (but maybe two) show(s)
> at which the James Bond Theme riff is played, but it's
> not *during* "Call Mr. Lee", I'm 95.03% sure it's
> Richard playing a short bit when the band's not
> playing---it's during a slight delay or tune-up
> between songs (something that rarely ever happens).
>
> Leo
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