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Re: (TV) RE: Accidentially Hit the Send Button / Who Plays What When / To m's vs Richard's Tone



If I might make some general observations that may or may not have some relevance to the subject:

The things a guitarist plays on record, or even live, aren't necessarily the limits of his technical ability.

When two musicians play in a band together for a long period of time, they can learn enough of each others stylistic moves to be able to imitate each other passably.

Learning to recognize a musician from his playing self-limiting. To recognize someone's musicial voice, you have to set certain parameters, saying "this is what he sounds like," as a result, if he plays anything outside those parameters, you're going to assume it's not him.


----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay" <piazzasanmarco@yahoo.com>
To: <tv@obbard.com>
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: (TV) RE: Accidentially Hit the Send Button / Who Plays What When / To m's vs Richard's Tone


richard lloyd impresses the head

tom verlaine the heart

dont you bastards understand this by now!

BALANCE

intellect/emotion = human spirit

good night

ps, just messin about the bastards part

--- "Casey, Leo J" <Leo.J.Casey@Volpe.dot.gov> wrote:

I accidentially somehow hit the SEND button before
I finished typing my previous post (and before I
trimmed it).

so, here's what should have been included:

.....bLAH blah blah ..I think my memory's still
good--(maybe too good) and I swear I've seen
in-person parts/solos switched between them.

Another related fact:  Didn't't Amilcar Amarante
point out recently that you can see on the Brazil
video Tom('s fingers) playing a part/solo that
Richard usually does?

Ms Secret X told me quite awhile ago, that sometimes

Tom gave  almost all of the soloing to Richard (with

a couple of exceptions such as Prove It or the 2nd
one in MM)--as several on List have noted in the
past
this mostly happens on nights when Tom just "isn't
into it". Also--she wrote to the List once saying
Tom
is not adverse (one might even say he's
'magnanimous),
or isn't insecure about giving others (e.g., Richard
)
most of the spot-light.

I really believe that *sometimes, say, 10-15%*,
maybe
to keep things from getting boring or stale [plus
other
reasons], before the band goes on stage that night,
sometime earlier --hours[?] or minutes[?] or
days[?]--Tom might say to Richard to take/play my
part
on "Z" tonight and I'll do the solo on "Y" tonight.

I think it's pretty obvious Tom can (technically or
otherwise) play any of the solos on the songs in
their
live repertoire (not claiming they'd sound! like
Richard's solos--except they are virtually are
identical sounding on occasions on "Rhyme" and
"1880 Or So" , and on rare occasions even on
"Call Mr. Lee", BUT not talking Richard's last
"Lee" solo here.

In fact, in the switching parts incidences *that I'm

referring to*, for "Rhyme" and "1880 Or So",  Tom's
solo is more often so close/similar to Richard's ,
that that is why it can be difficult to determine
who's playing what where when.

But even in these instances if you listen carefully
you can discern Tom's icy tone [meant as a
compliment],
more tremolo, more vibrato, uses whammy bar more
often
(than Richard), **more physically shaking of the
neck**
(than Richard), more 'bending' the notes (related to

last).  In short, Tom's signature guitar sound.
Words totally fail me here  Jon Parles in a review
The NY Times describes what I'm unable to
articulate.

Half serious: Small (big?) favor to Keith, :>)
I sent you this review NY Times (not on The Wonder
yet) recently; could you post just the single the
sentence describing Tom's tone that writer uses in
his opening paragraph? Pareles (could have been
another writer--Robert Palmer? or John Piccarella?
I'm pretty damn sure it was April 2x,  1987, and
definitely NY Times.

Separate but related:
During all of Tom's electric tours 1981- 1987 he
would
let Ripp play great majority of the solos on songs
when
he could easily have done more of them.
(In fact a couple of my friends unfamiliar with
Verlaine/Television's music would sometimes comment
on
first attending a show that
they were more impressed with Ripp's guitar
playing!)

Important: In the above,  I'm not talking about
who's
a better guitarist --I think Richard's solos on
e.g.,
Ain't That Nothin',  Elevation and a myriad of other

songs are probably "superior" to anything Tom would
have
replaced them with. I'm just saying they ***don't
always
play the exact same parts.


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