[Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next][Date Index][Thread Index]

RE: (TV) John Byrne dead at 61



I think musicians' lack of access to good healthcare is another major
factor.


Jim K. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tv-owner@obbard.com [mailto:tv-owner@obbard.com] On 
> Behalf Of andy fekete
> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 5:34 PM
> To: tv@obbard.com
> Subject: Re: (TV) John Byrne dead at 61
> 
> "Elvis to Eminem: quantifying the price of fame through early 
> mortality of European and North American rock and pop stars"  
> J Epidemiol Community Health 2007;61:896901. doi:
> 10.1136/jech.2007.059915
> 
> Abstract:
> 
> Objective: This study measures survival rates of famous musicians (n =
> 1064) from their point of fame and compares them to matched 
> general populations in North America and Europe.
> 
> Design: We describe and utilise a novel actuarial survival 
> methodology which allows quantification of excess post-fame 
> mortality in pop stars.
> 
> Participants: Individuals from North America and Europe 
> performing on any album in the All-Time Top 1000 albums from 
> the music genres rock, punk, rap, R&B, electronica and new age.
> 
> Results: From 3 to 25 years post fame, both North American 
> and European pop stars experience significantly higher 
> mortality (more than 1.7 times) than demographically matched 
> populations in the USA and UK, respectively. After 25 years 
> of fame, relative mortality in European (but not North 
> American) pop stars begins to return to population levels. 
> Five-year post-fame survival rates suggest differential 
> mortality between stars and general populations was greater 
> in those reaching fame before 1980.
> 
> Conclusion: Pop stars can suffer high levels of stress in 
> environments where alcohol and drugs are widely available, 
> leading to health-damaging risk behaviour. However, their 
> behaviour can also influence would-be stars and devoted fans. 
> Collaborations between health and music industries should 
> focus on improving both pop star health and their image as 
> role models to wider populations.
> 
> 
> http://jech.bmj.com/preprint/bellis.pdf
> 
> 
> On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Phil Obbard 
> <pobbard@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > "Why is it though, that musicians seem to have shorter life spans? 
> > They live shorter than presidents for example - who quite 
> often do not 
> > expire until their 90s. Am I falsely falling for for a red 
> herring, or 
> > am I on to something? Can someone devise a list of well known 
> > musicians who have made it beyond 80? Any musical genre will do."
> >
> > I've thought about this, too. For starters, you've got the 
> "too fast to live" group -- the under-30 deaths due to 
> excess, car/plane crash, or suicide: Cobain, Holly, Hendrix, 
> Morrison, Aaliyah, etc. That skews the data, so let's leave it aside.
> >
> > That leaves us with a not insubstantial number of musicians 
> who still died long before, let's say, the age of 75 (a fair 
> life expectancy for males -- and overwhelming we're talking 
> about males -- in the Western world). The first issue I run 
> into is this: My own observational bias is that I'm mostly 
> interested in musicians from 1960 onwards, and most of the 
> well-known ones are still under the age of 70 (being born in 
> 1940 or later). And even then, many of the post-30-something 
> deaths have a "too fast to live" element to them: Entwhistle, 
> Dee Dee Ramone, Dennis Wilson, Keith Moon, Johnny Thunders, 
> Paul Butterfield, John Phillips, Denny Doherty, etc.
> >
> > As I was trying to figure out where to take my thoughts in 
> this email, I just Googled "dead pop stars" and found this 
> analysis of a study on exactly this subject. 
> http://sentineleffect.wordpress.com/2007/09/19/debating-the-sc
> ience-of-dead-pop-stars/. (Unfortunately, the link to the 
> original study no longer appears to active).
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Russ <russvr@gmail.com>
> > To: tv@obbard.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 4:11:11 PM
> > Subject: Re: (TV) John Byrne dead at 61
> >
> > Very sad. I always liked that song and Television's version 
> of it was 
> > a high point of the two times I've managed to see them.
> >
> > This guy, John Byrne, only lived to be 61.
> > Why is it though, that musicians seem to have shorter life 
> spans? They 
> > live shorter than presidents for example - who quite often do not 
> > expire until their 90s. Am I falsely falling for for a red 
> herring, or 
> > am I on to something? Can someone devise a list of well known 
> > musicians who have made it beyond 80? Any musical genre will do.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 1:35 PM, Phil Obbard 
> <pobbard@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> He was the author of Television favorite "Psychotic 
> Reaction" and a 
> >> member of the Count Five.
> >>
> >>
> >> 
> http://www.latimes.com/news/obituaries/la-me-passings28-2008dec28,0,3
> >> 451708.story(second half)
> >>
> >> I feel depressed, I feel so bad
> >> 'Cause you're the best girl that I ever had I can't get 
> your love, I 
> >> can't get a fraction Uh-oh, little girl, psychotic reaction
> >>
> >> (And it feels like this!)
> >>
> >> I feel so lonely night and day
> >> I can't get your love, I must stay away I need you girl, 
> by my side 
> >> Uh-oh, little girl, would you like to take a ride, now I can't get 
> >> your love, I can't get satisfaction Uh-oh, little girl, psychotic 
> >> reaction
> >>
> >> --Phil
> >> --------------
> >> To post: Mail tv@obbard.com
> >> To unsubscribe: Mail majordomo@obbard.com with message 
> "unsubscribe tv"
> > --------------
> > To post: Mail tv@obbard.com
> > To unsubscribe: Mail majordomo@obbard.com with message 
> "unsubscribe tv"
> > --------------
> > To post: Mail tv@obbard.com
> > To unsubscribe: Mail majordomo@obbard.com with message 
> "unsubscribe tv"
> --------------
> To post: Mail tv@obbard.com
> To unsubscribe: Mail majordomo@obbard.com with message 
> "unsubscribe tv"
--------------
To post: Mail tv@obbard.com
To unsubscribe: Mail majordomo@obbard.com with message "unsubscribe tv"