Re: (TV) 'Friction' & 'Breakin' were way before Patti's 1976 Interview / RE: (TV) Re: Patti on 'Winghead'

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--- On Fri, 4/15/11, Leo Casey <LeoCasey@comcast.net> wrote:

From: Leo Casey <LeoCasey@comcast.net>
Subject: (TV) 'Friction' & 'Breakin' were way before Patti's 1976 Interview /
RE: (TV) Re: Patti on 'Winghead'
To: tv@obbard.com
Date: Friday, April 15, 2011, 10:32 AM

Hi,

Regarding the possibility that Patti Smith was the originator of the song
titles or/and for key
phrases/ideas  of 'Breakin' In My Heart' or 'Friction' (as these 'titles' were
mentioned in the
quotes  from Patti in 1976)::

Using either Steve Rovner's Phishhook web page or Keith's The Wonder [or
information about
shows/live-recordings from the other List, Television-Group/Carried Away] it
turns out that
'Breakin' In My Heart was first performed on July 25, 1975, The Piccadilly
Inn, Cleveland.  As
for the song, 'Friction', its earliest appearance is at a 1974 CBGB show
(Month and day
unknown), and an early proto-type of 'Friction' called 'The Set Up' (including
'Friction'-like
lyrics) exists of a rehearsal dated Fall 1974.

To my mind, Patti is the one using/incorporating the songs 'Friction' and
'Breakin' In My
Heart' into her 1976 interview, not the other way around.  Since she and Tom
were either
entwined romantically or very good friends in 1976, it would be natural for
her to consciously
or subconsciously use ideas from Tom's two songs in her interview.

I, of course, admit Patti could have influenced Tom's song writing or even
'helped' him write
some of his phrases, but there is no evidence to support this.     

Leo

PS:  The demo of 'Friction' was recorded in Patti Smith's loft on August xy,
1975, so in
addition to being present at many of Television's live shows she obviously
heard the demo of
'Friction' and was most likely present during the demo's recording.

> I also found it interesting her use of the word 'friction;
> here...from the same article:
> 'It's just incredible what you have to do and then sometimes you don't
> even get off because the people are like uptight or they
> don't understand
> that they're free, y'know.  I don't give a shit what people
> do.  They can
> say I hate you as long as they say ... anything, y'know?  Sometimes I
> really 'dig' people who give me a hard time because it's'
> f'riction' but it's
> reaction . . .' Patti

Your thoughts are similar to mine.  I knew those were songs played early, like
you said, and will all of Tom's talents, I doubt he would have to take those
ideas from her.  I'm sure he originated them and she prob worked them into her
speech...very likely.

But it's very likely since they hung around each other for awhile and were
very close that they would tend to pick up stuff from each other...that just
naturally occurs.

When asked about him being her boyfriend back then, he just said that they
hung out for a couple of years...but he can't really remember.  That's not
very likely, I would say.
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