(TV) Mapplethorpe's Original Brazilian Interv. Patti & the Romans / RE: (TV) "MM" mentioned in Greek Mapplethorpe exhibit

["Leo Casey" <LeoCasey@comcast.net>]

Leif,

Maybe I mis-read Claudia screenshot of the blog posted here a few weeks ago.
But it was the blogger, himself, who fantasized about T.V.'s testicles; it
was the blogger himself who was into 'tea-bagging' (not T.V.) as the blogger
was a creepy voyeur when T.V. used the public shower room at the private
swimming pool with which the blogger also had a private membership.
[Claudia please chime in if you read this.]

Not saying it's not possible T.V. has some sexual fetishes of his own given
his many female admirers over his long career--especially during his 1988
tour as warm up act for The Church.

Re:  the Mapplethorpe cover:  I'm willing to take Richard Lloyd' word for it
that it was he who actually went to the NYC 'Copying-store', and told them
to use their color Zerox-machine to deliberately distort the original
Mapplethorpe version.

However, if you remember any of the sometimes hilarious interview (video)
Tom gave to the young Brazilian MTV[?] interviewer this July, Verlaine
cleared up a few misconceptions of the young Brazilian:  1) it was not Patti
Smith's idea that Mapplethorpe do the cover of MM; and 2) T.V (and at least
one other member of Television) disliked Mapplethorpe's original.  I believe
T.V. said in the Brazilian interv: "We hated it." ... and so it was decided
to alter it.  

Leif, are/were you in Greece as part of a vacation, and if so did the recent
extraordinary financial woe of Greece make such a vacation relatively cheap?

Did the exhibit have any sculptures or photos of Venus De Milo?

And last but not least:
I have always considered Greece's ancient culture superior to Roman culture
---the latter being primarily just very clever at winning military campaigns
than advancing civilization  (ok, I'll give them the arch) ... albeit the
famous Greeks philosophers' , esp. Aristotle's incredibly stupid ideas set
back science until the Renaissance in Europe.  However, as cruel as the
Romans were, they were into shaving off all of their bodily hair except for
that on their heads.  So they probably would have stoned Patti to death if
they had seen her in that toga!

Leo  (who will use the excuse of taking up drinking coffee again after
several years abstinence as his excuse for this e-mail [smile].) 

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Subject: (TV) "MM" mentioned in Greek Mapplethorpe exhibit

Now in Athens, Greece, where I found a new Robert Mapplethorpe exhibition.
His
cover photograph for "Marquee Moon" was obviously considered so important
that
it has been included in the attached chronology (not the cover itself, but
it's the same case with any other LP sleeve he was involved with). That
chronology may, of course, be copied from some other exhibition -- but
perhaps
not, since the people at the Onassis Cultural Centre have curated their own
Mapplethorpe retrospective, emphasising the similarities between the
American
photographer's nude shots and ancient Greek sculpture art -- therefore, many
photos of finely chiseled muscular black men (but none of his explicit
homoerotic pics). Must say that I've never thought of said similarities
before, but they do make sense if you see the photos and spend time here
where
one is remembered about the Greek history all the time. Two old
documentaries
are also shown, as well as two of his experimental shorts which can be said
to
correspond within the general idea here -- one with powerwoman Lisa Lyon,
filmed posing in palace-like surroundings, and "Still moving" with Patti
Smith
doing some poetry thing in a room where she's dressed in a pretty revealing
white toga. About the latter can be said that the Greeks must not only try
to
survive being in the epicentre of the eurozone-crisis, now they also have to
endure the sight of Patti Smith's *very* hairy legs.

The (by Lloyd, if memory serves) reported xerox-ed distortion of
Mapplethorpe's "Marquee Moon" cover aside -- didn't Mapplethorpe gave all
the
boys but especially Tom Verlaine kind of a sculptural image on that image?
The
face bones, the veins. In Greek style? Isn't Greek sex slang for sodomy in
the
English language? Did Mapplethorpe shot the pic from a possibly "homoerotic"
angle? As with so many other photos? If so, is there then a connection with
the recently unearthed claims of Verlaine's tea-bagging activities? Remember
that both Verlaine and Patti Smith as well as Mapplethorpe and Smith were
partners once -- we now the reason for the Mapplethorpe-Smith breakup -- but
not for the other one. Is this Jutta Koether thing just a cover up? Is this
too farfetched? Perhaps, perhaps not.

For those who're insterested in reading about the exhibition, here's the
centre's webpage about it: http://www.sgt.gr/en/programme/event/273

Leif J, Athens
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