Re: More on TV & Smith/Smith's schtick / RE: (TV) Patti w/ Tom show suggestion

[postitnote <postitnote@sbcglobal.net>]

Hey Leo,

Thanks for all that info.  That should keep me busy for awhile hunting some of
those up. 
And I just now remembered that I'm supposed to request bootleg stuff over on
the Yahoo list...d'oh!...sorry.

And I read everyone's post except, like what Robin says, maybe the highly tech
ones I may skip.

Speaking of which...I would like to transfer my Flac shows over to my iTunes. 
Anyone have any help for me as to how I can do that?  What program to use,
etc?

D.



--- On Tue, 12/27/11, Leo Casey <LeoCasey@comcast.net> wrote:

From: Leo Casey <LeoCasey@comcast.net>
Subject: More on TV & Smith/Smith's schtick /  RE: (TV) Patti w/ Tom  show
suggestion
To: tv@obbard.com
Date: Tuesday, December 27, 2011, 10:34 AM

Hi,

Regarding: If you guys know of other dates w/ Tom playing w/ her that you
would consider 'essential' to hear, please list them on here so that I can
find them.

This is probably more than you d like to know.

I am probably in the minority, but I have always been very disappointed in
recordings of Smith shows when Tom was in her touring band.  Number one:  I
can never hear him!; he's buried in the mix; and two:  he keeps such a low
profile, in fact, he goes way, way overboard in trying not to step musically
on Lenny Kaye's toes.

I have:
1)   Patti Smith - Alive In 95 #1: December 9, 1995, The Patti Smith
GroupVerlaine On 2nd1 Lead Electric GuitarThe Orpheum Theater, Boston,
MassachusettsBut Audio Cassette2 (Analog) [Leo in audience]

2)  June 19, 1996, Patti Smith GroupVerlaine On 2nd2 Lead Electric
GuitarThe Late Show With David Letterman, tv-show, CBS, NYCVHS4
Cassette

3)  July 30, 1996, The Patti Smith GroupVerlaine On 2nd3 Lead Electric
GuitarThe Tempodrome, Berlin, GermanyDVD11   

4)  August 1, 1996, The Patti Smith GroupVerlaine On 2nd4 Lead Electric
GuitarThe Rai Congrescentrum, Amsterdam, The Netherlands

5a)  August 2, 1996, The Patti Smith GroupVerlaine On 2nd5 Lead Electric
GuitarDutch-tv Broadcast, The Rai Congrescentrum, Amsterdam, The
NetherlandsHalf Is Smith InterviewDVD12 

5b)  August 2, 1996, The Patti Smith GroupVerlaine On 2nd5 Lead Electric
GuitarDutch-tv Broadcast, The Rai Congrescentrum, Amsterdam, The
Netherlands

6a)  June 25, 2005, The Patti Smith GroupVerlaine On 2nd6 Lead Electric
GuitarThe Meltdown Festival, Royal Festival Hall, London, EnglandDVD14.


6b)  June 25, 2005, The Patti Smith GroupVerlaine On 2nd6 Lead Electric
GuitarThe Meltdown Festival, Royal Festival Hall, London,
EnglandAudio-Only9 

7) December 6, 2005, The Patti Smith GroupVerlaine On 2nd7 Lead Electric
GuitarLate Night With Conan OBrien, tv-show, NBC, NYCRedondo
BeachDVD16 Singleton


I guess I could/recommend the Aug. 1, 1996 show.

By the way, I just finished a new Smith biography, Dancing Barefoot; it was
very well-written but it just reinforced in my mind how over-rated Smith is
as a musical performer/singer/songwriter.  Her whole schtick I find tiresome
and pretentious.  I think Johnny Rotten got it right when he's quoted in the
book:  "Just a bunch of bullshit going on about 'Oh yeah, when I was in High
School', 2 out of 10 for effort.". 

Or this from Melody Maker:  "Horses is all that is wrong with rock and roll
right now .... There's no way that the completely contrived and affected
'amateurism' of Horses constitutes good rock and roll.  That old 'so bad
it's good' aesthetic has been played to death.  Horses is just bad.
Period/".

She's a great poet, a great humanitarian, and supposedly a great person, but
it ain't enough for me. As a songwriter: I'll give her 'People Have The
Power', 'Dancing Barefoot', and 'Because the Night' [but which Springsteen
wrote half of] as great; the rest of her oeuvre is pedestrian, and no great
melodies.

Why am I being so mean and risking the wrath of all the Smith fans and esp.
the women on this List?  Because I can.  Both Lists are moribund; no one
ever reads any of these posts, or if they do, never past the first paragraph
as Leif Joley [smile].  And while I'm at it, the fact that "Just Kids" won
the book award shows how far the awarders' literature standards have fallen.
Also, "Patti, you need to go on a diet; you look like shit and as if you've
been living on Krespe Cremes!"

Leo

PS:  Below is a list all Verlaine appearances as a musician on Smith tours.


**Appearances By Tom Verlaine** Playing 2nd Lead Electric Guitar In Patti
Smiths Band, 1995 - 1996, 2005 - 2006, 2008, And 2009

7 December 1995, ONeill Center, Danbury, CT, USA

8 December 1995, Worcester Auditorium, Worcester, MA, USA

9 December 1995, Orpheum Theater, Boston, MA, USA

10 December 1995, Orpheum Theater, Boston, MA, USA  Opening Act for Dylan
tour [Leo attended]

11 December 1995, Beacon Theater, New York, NY, USA

13 December 1995, Stabler Arena, Lehigh University, Bethlehem, PA, USA

14 December 1995, Beacon Theater, New York, NY, USA

15 December 1995, Electric Factory, Philadelphia, PA, USA

16 December 1995, Electric Factory, Philadelphia, PA, USA

17 December 1995, Electric Factory, Philadelphia, PA, USA

............................................................................


19 March 1996, Warfield Theater, San Francisco, CA, USA

23 March 1996, Wiltern Theater, Los Angeles, CA, USA

19 June 1996, Late Night with Letterman, US TV

21 June 1996, Irving Plaza, New York, NY, USA

22 June 1996, Irving Plaza, New York, NY, USA

30 June 1996, Orange Stage, Roskilde Festival, Roskilde, Denmark

2 July 1996, Olympia, Paris, France

3 July 1996, Olympia, Paris, France

8 July 1996, Foro Italico, Rome, Italy

9 July 1996, Teatro Romano, Verona, Italy

11 July 1996, Festa dellUnita, Corregio, Italy

12 July 1996, Villa Arconati, Bollate, Milan, Italy


23 July 1996, E-Werk, Kvln, Germany

24 July 1996, Casino Ostend, Ostend, Belgium

26 July 1996, Paleo Festival, Nyon, Switzerland

29 July 1996, Palacy Kultury, Prague, Czech Republic

30 July 1996, Tempodrome, Berlin, Germany

1 August 1996, Musikhalle, Hamburg, Germany

2 August 1996, Rai Congrescentrum, Amsterdam, Netherlands

7 November 1996, Museum of Modern Art, New York, NY, USA

..............................
NO 1997  2004 TOM VERLAINE APPEARANCES WITH PATTI SMITH
............................................................................
25 June 2005, Meltdown Festival, Royal Festival Hall, London, UK

29 June 2005, Parco di Palazzo Antonini, Universit` degli Studi, Udine,
Italy

>From The Wonder:  http://www.thewonder.co.uk/facts/index.htm

16 August 2005, The Dome, Brighton, England   

28 August 2005, Train, Erhus, Denmark

29 August 2005, Amager Bio, Copenhagen, Denmark
 [Continued on next page]
14 October 2005, Fusebox, 32ste Filmfestival van Gent, Theaterzaal Vooruit,
Ghent, Belgium

21 November 2005, Madison Square Garden, New York, NY, USA

22 November 2005, Madison Square Garden, New York, NY, USA

30 November 2005, Howard Gilman Opera House, Brooklyn Academy of Music
(BAM), New York, NY, USA

6 December 2005, Late Night with Conan 0Brien, NBC TV, USA

9 November 2006, Avery Fisher Hall, New York, NY, USA

31 December 2006, Bowery Ballroom, New York, NY, USA
.........................................................
No Tom Verlaine appearances in Patti Smiths Band in  2007.
..................
5 April 2008, Sala Grande, Teatro Arena del Sole, Bologna, Italy
............................................................
BUT No other 2009 - 2011 TOM VERLAINE APPEARANCES WITH PATTI SMITH.


-----Original Message-----
From: tv-owner@obbard.com [mailto:tv-owner@obbard.com] On Behalf Of
postitnote
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 11:37 AM
To: tv@obbard.com
Subject: Re: (TV) Patti w/ Tom show suggestion

I would suggest for your listening pleasure that you get this Patti Smith
show
off of Dime.  It's listed as Patti Smith 1996-07-26 Paleo Festival Nyon CH
and
it's one of the shows w/ Tom on guitar.  And whatever she pays him to play
w/
her she gets more than her money's worth as he adds so much to her songs.
In
particular her cover of "When Doves Fly" is amazing and they go into this
reggae beat part way through.  Anyway it's a great show.

If you guys know of other dates w/ Tom playing w/ her that you would
consider
'essential' to hear, please list them on here so that I can find them.
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