RE: (TV) T.V.'s Loathing of Bootlegs /ARROW / ' Ain't That Nothin' '

["Leo Casey" <LeoCasey@comcast.net>]

I am finally getting around to responding to some older posts:

Philip wrote:
> ARROW must have been one of the first Television boots (as in, pressed on
>vinyl) ever, right?

Yes.  With the Eno Sessions and the bootleg named Poor Circulation maybe
being the only ones older (although NY Stories might also predate the ARROW
boot.  Anyone know?).

I got my Arrow Rerun during a trip to NYC in November 1981 (to see Verlaine
at The Ritz) at Bleecker Bob's in the Village.  I was in heaven when I first
played it on a good hi-fi system.  I played it so much I pretty much wore
out the vinyl; however, I was able to buy another brand-new copy [in Boston
I think] and then immediately recorded the new copy on a good TEAC
Reel-To-Reel, and then always played the tape and kept the 2nd vinyl ARROW
as precious back-up.

When the ROIR Cassette came out in 1982 I was, of course, very disappointed
in the audio quality, but the performances were so outstanding I gave some
original copies to friends who had never heard of Television.  In 1982, was
so impressed with Richard's Lloyd song ending solo on the ROIR cassette on
'Ain't That Nothin'' that I tried "grafting-on" his ending-solo [sadly on
all versions of the March 20, 1978 Show including officially released and
remastered cds his solo is prematurely faded-out!] onto the end of another
version and put it on one of my dance-party Reel-To-Reel tapes to get
party-goers off of their asses.  

Those were the days.  :>)

Leo

-----Original Message-----
From: tv-owner@obbard.com [mailto:tv-owner@obbard.com] On Behalf Of Phil
Obbard
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 10:25 AM
To: tv@obbard.com
Subject: Re: (TV) T.V.'s Loathing of Bootlegs

Great post Leo, never knew an interviewer had asked Tom about the ARROW
boot. 
ARROW must have been one of the first Television boots (as in, pressed on
vinyl) ever, right?

--Phil




________________________________
 From: Leo
Casey <LeoCasey@comcast.net>
To: tv@obbard.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 31,
2013 6:36 PM
Subject: (TV) T.V.'s Loathing of Bootlegs
 
This is a belated
follow-up to the discussion on Tom being against the
selling of bootlegs of
Television (or his Solo career) shows.

I agree it would have been better
visibility-wise and in the long run
financial-wise for Television's and
Verlaine's solo career if he had
"blessed" (or even encouraged) the spread of
these bootlegs.

That he did not most likely derives from two factors.

First,
being the perfectionist that he is, it probably drives him batty to
hear some
of the poor sound quality of some of these bootlegs but to have no
control
over it, or/and to a hear a sub-par performance by himself or the
band on a
bootleg.

Second, Verlaine from many interviews has always been angry (and
usually
justifiable so) about the music business especially Elektra screwing
him and
the band out of money.  In the Nov. 1981 issue of Boston Rock, he told
the
interviewer this regarding the unreliability of record company's claims on
sold units:

BR: Did Elektra make you even more wary of this business? 

TV:
Well to this day I don't know what those records sold. It took a long
time to
get off Elektra although it was easy to get another deal. I was
supposed to do
three records for Elektra and they didn't want to let me go.
It took a year to
get off. ***The latest Elektra accounting report said that
one cassette has
sold in Canada in the last six months!*** 

BR: Why didn't you turn to an
independent after that experience? 

TV: Well, you know we started out with
Ork Records. Most independents are
worse, let me tell you. They're just these
guys walking around picking your
nose blah blah blah ... But that's not really
fair - Rough Trade's a good
one.

BR: Are you planning any live Television
releases to file next to the Arrow
bootleg?

TV: That's not a bad bootleg at
all. I'm still trying to find out who did
that one. There's close to 200 tapes
floating around. I know a guy who has a
hundred shows on tape - every show we
did in New York City except for the
first five or six. I doubt I'll do
anything. I'm not crazy about them and
it's time consuming to sit there and
pick the better versions, which ones
are half way in tune, which ones you can
hear the vocals on.

Leo

-----Original Message-----
From: tv-owner@obbard.com
[mailto:tv-owner@obbard.com] On Behalf Of Joe
Hartley
Sent: Tuesday, January
29, 2013 9:41 AM
To: tv@obbard.com
Subject: Re: (TV) Phew!

On Mon, 28 Jan
2013 23:16:40 -0500
"DennisD" <dend@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
> I later found out
most of 
> the Television CDs he sold were recorded by a friend of mine. I
know Tom 
> used to be totally against bootlegging of Television stuff and
felt ripped

> off by Carlucci and I think he went in there once and
"confiscated" all 
> Television bootlegs. So that would be a reason why
Carlucci didn't want
Tom 
> in his store. 

Gee, how'd that not make it into
killing moon's screed?  I guess that 
level of anger's easier to maintain when
you've got blinders on.

I don't necessarily agree with Tom here - I think
that allowing recording
and free trading of live shows actually helps bands -
but it's his music
and his right to try and shut down the unauthorized CDs,
especially
when someone else is making some coin which doesn't flow into his
pocket.
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