Re: (TV) 2 cents on Rap/dissing Richard.

[jpg <jpg@sirius.com>]

Right on about Verlaine. I get the feeling that he is still the same stuck up
child I met in '76. I like your comments but as 'Tranes cousin said( about
"Trane, Monk, Powell, etc.) these guys were genius junkies. Hell ain't no
genius and he's been done for some time; he just has better genetic make-up
than Johnny Thunders. As a friend of mine once said: " when he's done prick 'em
and turn him over."
I'm too old to chase after has beens and never beens especially when I saw them
in action; and  I hate nostalgia.
Appreciate your comments.
Eric Gregory wrote:

> i dig what yr saying in re: junkies & hell seems to be pretty honest with
> what junk did to his trajectory.
> & to be perfectly blunt, based on "go now" & "the voidoid", i'd say hell's
> an awfully mediocre novelist.
> & his poetry's only slightly better.
> however, as a rock & roller, he's the shit.
> great songs, great phrasing, great look.
> i don't need to go into the ramifications & importance of "style" in rock &
> roll (i'm a little sick of the postmodernist huffing & puffing that poses as
> rock crit these days), but hell had a look & he created it, lived it, sang
> it, made it his life.
> & the "look" was just as important to yr vaunted jazz scene (particularly
> bebop).
> the smack was an obnoxious & boring detour & perhaps it derailed hell for
> good, but i know that BLANK GENERATION, "don't die" & yeah, even DESTINY
> STREET, all contributed to what i am today & they sure as shit showed me
> that writers who were tired of the publishing/spoken word scene could make
> their words fucking explode.
>
> & from where i stand, verlaine needs a cat like hell to loosen his sphincter
> a bit.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: jpg [mailto:jpg@sirius.com]
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> Perhaps I was a little closer to the scene.  Let me be blunt. I see no
> genius
> in being a junkie. The scene was riddled with junkie poseurs. In other words
> they were spending more time getting high than working on their art or
> craft.
> To this day I can't help but " see through" what others may consider art or
> genius. I believe there is some a world of difference between an artiste and
> an
> artist. Hell, Thunders, etc. were merely acting out. Had they really worked
> at
> their craft perhaps their art would have matured.
> Hell to me symbolizes more nostalgia.
> On the other hand I feel Verlaine is still growing.
>
> Eric Gregory wrote:
>
> > i think the "substance" obviously came in the words & maybe not so
> obviously
> > with his delivery.
> > i certainly don't begrudge you yr opinion.
> >
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jpg [mailto:jpg@sirius.com]
> > Sent: Monday, January 10, 2000 8:56 AM
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> > Subject: Re: (TV) 2 cents on Rap/dissing Richard.
> >
> > With all due respect I did listen to him. Like you said he had style at
> the
> > expense of substance. But at some point there has to be substance.
> >
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