Re: (TV) Double Exposure vs. ...

[eric s gregory <esgregory@uswest.net>]

y'know i'd have to agree with the hell days being the
ultimate tv experience (tho both "exile on main st." & "some
girls" are my fave stones recs, so i can't go down the b
jones path with you).
verlaine is not such a transcendent, mind-blowing writer
that he can/could carry the band on his own....imagine what
tv woulda been w/out lloyd (a verlaine solo rec, i
guess)...& hell's visceral, defiant, soul in the pavement
songs were the perfect foil to verlaine's ascendant heady
trips.
what a perfect band they musta been.

SCOTT ALDRICH wrote:
> 
> You know, I hate(love) to make stupid comparisons, but Television with Fred
> Smith was kind of like when Mick Taylor joined the Stones. They all of a
> sudden just sounded great and were able to raise the musicianship and it's
> the best rock band of all time. But with Brian Jones (or when Television had
> Hell) they were great in an altogether different, anarchic way. Brian was
> the original visionary who lost out, like Hell.
> Yeah I know the comparison is silly as all hell(heh heh) since the Stones
> made like a kajillion dollars and tons of timeless hits and non-hits in both
> incarnations, whereas Television with Hell only made some demos and
> piss-poor audience recordings, but they were nonetheless the greatest band
> in the world (according to Hell) in their short incarnation, or slightly
> longer if you include the Neon Boys.
> And between the Buttons is my favorite Stones album (along with Flowers and
> some of Aftermath especially "I Am Waiting").
> 
> Scott (US)
> 
> > From: "Dennis" <dend@nyc.rr.com>
> > Reply-To: tv@obbard.com
> > Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 23:26:10 -0500
> > To: <tv@obbard.com>
> > Subject: Re: (TV) Double Exposure vs. ...
> >
> > I'm not sure proficient is the word to use to describe Richard's playing.
> > But it certainly was interesting.
> > I'm definitely a Fred Smith fan, as anyone that has heard me play can tell
> > you, but I'm also a Richard Hell fan.
> > Fred has told me he liked what Hell had done also. The band certainly
> > tightened up with Fred playing bass though.
> >
> >
> >> Richard Hell was too that proficient. Cool and thudding. Quine insists he
> > is
> >> the shit. And I agree, listening to the Voidoids. Also the way they play
> >> Marquee Moon has a totally more primitive feel on Double Exposure,
> > compared
> >> to Fred Smith's version. Fred Smith is definitely the man for Tom
> > Verlaine's
> >> muse, but that's not saying that Richard Hell isn't an interesting player.
> >> Different animal. Very funky and awkard, Richard was. Listen to the EP
> >> version of Another World. Very proficient, I'd say. I'm listening to it
> >> right now and it f-ing rocks. It's like Television playing 70's era
> > Stones.
> >> Also I think the two boots are the same versions.
> >>
> >> Scott (US)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> From: "Brian Young" <raggedglory57@hotmail.com>
> >>> Reply-To: tv@obbard.com
> >>> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 17:55:24 -0800
> >>> To: tv@obbard.com
> >>> Subject: (TV) Double Exposure vs. ...
> >>>
> >>> I am making a copy of the boot Double Exposure for a person on the
> > Captain
> >>> Beefheart list, and as I was listening to the first side, the Studio
> > "1974"
> >>> cuts do not sound like my other bootleg "Television with Bryan Eno" at
> > all.
> >>> The mix is way different, with the bass way more prominent and clear,
> > and
> >>> the versions don't even sound identical.  Does anyone have both of these
> >>> boots, and have you done a comparison.  And no way is that Richard Hell
> > on
> >>> bass.  He was never that proficient.
> >>>
> >>> I may have gotten Double Exposure from someone on this list.  The filler
> > on
> >>> this tape is a 1987 interview with Verlaine that starts out with 30
> > seconds
> >>> of French.  There are also 2 Flashlight  outtakes, "Smoother than Jones"
> > and
> >>> "Caveman/Flashlight".
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