Re: Subject: RE: (TV) OT Eno and Semi - On Topic CJ & F

["esgregory" <esgregory@qwest.net>]

whoa...slow down here...i merely said that in MY musical universe (meaning
what i listen to, what inspires me, what informs my own songs), the beatles
played a minor role...i don't deny for an instant the beatles' pervasive
germ in everything that came after em (sometimes to the detriment of the
music/attitude)...i adore the byrds, love, who, kinks, buffalo springfield,
moby grape, dead, small faces, airplane, & a million other 60s "pop"
groups....& i'd rate all of the above (again: in MY world) above the beatles
...that ain't to say that some of those groups coulda existed as they did if
the beatles hadn't...but i make music (& many of my heroes made/make music)
cos of the velvets...the beatles had virtually nuthing to do with my impulse
to write songs & jump around on a stage....
i'd NEVER wanna get into an argument bout the beatles' merits, except when
i'm drunk & i'm feeling the urge to piss people off...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Philip P. Obbard" <pobbard@yahoo.com>
To: <tv@obbard.com>
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: Subject: RE: (TV) OT Eno and Semi - On Topic CJ & F


> Really? I think you're underestimating the pervasive quality of sixties
pop in
> the music you like. You might not listen to the Beatles regularly - I
don't any
> longer - but you can bet the groups you named (Dylan aside) got crucial
> inspiration from them or from the bands they spawned.
>
> Isn't this a Television list? I'd argue that Television was more influence
by
> sixties pop records taken to their logical conclusion than by the VU. This
> belief is reinforced not only by their choice of covers but also by
Verlaine's
> comment in FROM THE VELVETS TO THE VOIDOIDS about buying a box full of 60s
> singles, listening to Byrds and Kinks singles, and realizing that the
rhythm
> guitar parts generate the excitement in the music. (Sterling Morrison is
quoted
> making a similar statement in the book, too). The VU tend to be remembered
for
> their 'ground-breaking' music, while forgetting their overwhelming number
of
> fantastic, pure pop songs. Just because it isn't produced/recorded well
doesn't
> mean it isn't a pop record.
>
> "Days" is derived by playing the Byrds' arrangement of "Mr. Tambourine
Man"
> backwards... and songs like "Glory" and "Careful" probably owe more
sonically
> to the Dave Clark Five than "White Light / White Heat". "Marquee Moon"
started
> life as an acoustic hippie anthem.
>
> I'm not saying for an instant that the influence of the VU/Dylan/Stones
wasn't
> vital to loads of bands that followed, Television included, only that it's
> extraordinarily difficult to remove the influence of the Beatles from
those
> three groups/performers to begin with.
>
> --Philip
>
> --- eric gregory <crackcity_2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > i'm the same way...in my musical universe, the beatles
> > are a minor voice...VU/dylan/stones are the kingpins.
>
>
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