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Re: (TV) Text based Verlaine lyrics?

I don't know what's going on beneath the surface in here, but when I read the message below, I felt the urge to come out and defend Mark Ryan.

Since his appearance, this list has been much more valuable to me. His writings are funny, insightful, entertaining, well-written - sometimes mind-boggling (as with his judgment about "Words from the front"). Even a Swede could see that - at least this Swede; I don't know about the other one.

It might be that several participants in this group enjoys reading about what's in other members CD players, or people who are interested in concert dates in '82 or '93 or whatever. Fine with me. But I don't belong to those. I enjoy reading contributions that are funny, insightful, entertaining, well-written, even sometimes mind-boggling, pieces that I not necessarily have to agree with - but pieces that may spread some unusual light over the works of Tom Verlaine and the others. Their music is absolutely fabulous when they're in peak form, but everyone should admit that they are not always at their peak. No big deal to admit that for me. Hey, I didn't even hesitated to annoy Lloyd when I interviewed him the other year by recommending him to bring in a lyricist so that the lyrics could be better on his forthcoming records.

And isn't it peculiar that Philip read Mark's remarks on The Wonder-site as criticism? Not even Keith seemed to be really angry at Mark.

Leif J, Sweden

From: "Mark G. Ryan" <mgryan@cruzio.com>
Reply-To: tv@obbard.com
To: tv@obbard.com
Subject: Re: (TV) Text based Verlaine lyrics?
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 00:20:20 -0800 (PST)

Dear List,

I have been informed by Philip Obbard that I am not supposed to
"public ally criticize someone's work" on this list.

I don't know if this applies to everyone, or just Philip's buddies,
or if it also includes Tom Verlaine's work.  No matter.

Philip's message to me and to Keith Allison should NOT have been
sent privately and not posted to the list.  To condemn publicly,
and allow only a private defense, is just shoddy.

The "off-topic" content in my post, according to Philip, was the
mention of "ALT=" tags.  "even if your complaint has technical
merit".  Is that about the flimsiest excuses you ever heard?

I have enjoyed many of the posts to this list.  But I can't stay
around with a censor who plays favorites and values protecting
his friend's egos more than the truth.  I know I have been unkind
at times, but people have been unkind to me (Keith's comment of
"This is bullshit".)  But I'm not a buddy of the moderator, nor
do I operate an award-winning fan website/shrine.

Moreover, it's clear that people are unhappy because I have openly
criticized some of Tom Verlaine's songs, even though I stated how
much I like and continue to admire his work.   But I also want to
understanding it, which doesn't happen without criticism and a
frank exchange of views.

So I think it is far better for everyone if I just go somewhere
else. (No doubt that was Philip's intention anyway.  This should
make some people very happy.  They can go back to trading 'boots
and to comparing concert dates, and I won't bore them with any more
musical discussions or attempts at humor.


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