Look Upstairs / RE: Timeline: The Fat-Elvis Years / RE: (TV) Attn Ms Secret X (& Othe rs)

["Leo Casey" <LeoCasey@comcast.net>]

Hi Joe---I mean Judge, 

Have a little Mercy!

This is probably of no interest to anyone except you and me but

> Yes, but SecretX never gave any indication that Tom ceased 
>smoking while >she was with him, and if she had had such an 
>effect on him I >think she would have said something about it.

Plausible but not strong evidence, and it's "only cold evidence 
that will convict Ms Secret X".

Ms Secret X told me smoking was the primary reason things 
finally ended (or at least vis-`-vis her getting married), 
*but* that it wasn't a single incident such as Tom returning 
to smoking after quitting for 12 months. 

She never said that 1984 was the end of their romantic 
relationship. (Also it couldn't have been 1984 because 
1984+12 months of fatness = 1985, but that's quibbling).

Did she tell you they broke up in 1984/85?  She told me it 
was early/mid 1990s.  
I think what may be causing some of the confusion is that 
all during her romantic relationship [1978-1994?] they 
were both [occasionally??] seeing other people.  Am I 
speculating? No. This is what she told me.  You can believe 
her or not.

The Foreman 

PS: The good news about all this is that Claudia was afraid 
Tom's upcoming tour would skip Berlin, when, in fact, Tom 
and Kutta now occupy the apartment directly above Claudia's. 


-----Original Message-----
From: tv-owner@obbard.com [mailto:tv-owner@obbard.com] On Behalf Of Joe
Thornton
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 7:29 PM
To: tv@obbard.com
Subject: Re: Timeline: The Fat-Elvis Years / RE: (TV) Attn Ms Secret X (&
Othe rs)

You are confusing you, Leo. Surely Tom was with Jutta in the early 90s, if 
not before.

>> What's the evidence for that? I got the impression she must have split up
>> with him before he made Cover (1984), when he stopped smoking for a 
>> while.
>
> What you just wrote is confusing.  Maybe I'm just misunderstanding what
> you're saying, but if he had stopped smoking for a while she would've been
> LESS likely to have broken up --right?

Yes, but SecretX never gave any indication that Tom ceased smoking while she

was with him, and if she had had such an effect on him I think she would 
have said something about it. Similarly, she would probably have said 
something about him *resuming* smoking. But no, it seemed that Tom was 
always smoking while they were together and it eventually became too much 
for her. Ergo, they split up before 1984, and "Lindi-Lu" refers directly to 
that split, with Tom adopting the hillbilly persona, as SecretX-Lindi would 
have us think.

Surely?

All the other things you wrote are undisputed, except for how he actually 
quit smoking. Tom spoke about it in that Hot Press 1984 interview I posted 
on 13 June 2003, with no reference to any girlfriend:

"By now, with our interview well developed, Tom Verlaine's early hesitancy 
has long since vanished and he's revealed as a fluent, witty and stimulating

conversationalist. Talk ranges over a variety of subjects including 
pre-Christian Irish poetry (a particular interest of his), the writings of 
Flann O'Brien and Colin Wilson, and hypnosis -- a subject about which Tom is

eager to learn more, since he was cured through hypnosis of his nicotine 
addiction."

I thought I'd throw in that bit because the writer Flann O'Brien is in the 
news again. See www.guardian.co.uk/Books/news/articles/0,,1716690,00.html

And, well, because I grew up with Flann O'Brien living around the corner, 
and I used to see him staggering up the road, drunk. But he was a great 
writer.

--JoeT




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