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Re: (TV) The man who recorded the original "Arrow" boot says:

Dennis: Those sound like good suggestions you offer as to why Tom might hav
e viewed the The Blow Up CD release as illegal, something he didn't, & woul
dn't have, approved. 
Hey, I wonder if the mystery re. the original taper
 might be explainable by there being TWO tapers at the show, "Crackers" you
 mention, plus the guy Scott mentions, Dan McGuire. In which case, a qu. wo
uld be which of the two's
tape ended up being used for Arrow, & The Blow 

On Monday, February 24, 2014 7:30:34 PM, Dennis D <den
d@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
I think my cassette copy is from Crackers' copy 
and as far as I know he 
recorded it. I am going to email the woman that 
introduced me to him and 
gave me the copy of
the gig. I think she may 
remember more about it than I.
I think Tom says the ROIR version with Poo
r Circulation on it, is illegal 
because he didn't authorize that show's 
version of Poor Circulation. He was 
upset it was
not a commercially re
leased song. He was always protective of the unreleased 
stuff and I thin
k that is why he was so against bootlegging.
Also when Television was sig
ned there were no CD's and I seem to remember 
that they had trouble gett
ing royalties for any media besides vinyl, 
cassette and I guess 8 track 

I think that Arrow boot taper
likely sold me a ca
ssette of that sh
ow back In '78 or '79 along with a
few other Televisi
on shows I mail-ord
ered.  As Dennis says, he was a mail-order tape sel
ler. I recall at that
time Trouser Press music mag was not a bad source f
or finding mail order ta
pe traders/sellers as the mag printed
their ad
s. One of the Television c
assettes I got via a seller's Trouser
ad was a 1978 show at My Fat
her's Place, Roslyn, NY. My memory is
guy said in his catalogue/list
that it was his own recording. I
can't s
ay I have a clear memory of his
name 35 years on, or if it might
have b
een "Acker", "Crackers", or "Dan
." Of Television shows/recordings I got 
via mail order in the '70s on boots
cassettes, 10 or 12 maybe, that "My F
ather's Place" one was my fave. Great
performance, plus the audio quality
 was better than most.

When "Th
e Blow Up" came out on cassette, 
I noticed it was the same show as I knew a
s the My Father's Place gig. I
 was disappointed it omitted "Poor
tion" though (which the tape
r explains about on the piece he
wrote that
Keith kindly posted) which 
was on the tape I already had.
Plus the audio
quality was poorer on the
 official release. I never owned the "Arrow" viny
l version that's suppos
ed to sound better than the
cassette (no surprise
there), or the CD of 
"The Blow Up".

There's an old Tom interview
somewhere where he sa
ys the ROIR CD of "The Blow
Up" that came out later
after the cassette 
was "completely illegal."
I'm guessing the casset
te was maybe authoriz
ed but not the CD (-?). Nice of the Arrow L.P. bootleg
ger to actually se
e to it that Tom received some royalties from it.

reed, it would 
be nice if Mr. Acker, or who ever the taper is, would make a
n audio file
 from his master tape to share.

Robert Christgau & J
ohn Piccarel
la wrote the liner notes for "The Blow Up" cassette which I'm l
ooking at
I've often found  Christgau's writing style & attitude i
ing &
hard to appreciate, but enjoyed these notes, which have thei
r mo
ments. But who knows, maybe the best observations in them are Piccarell
's, not Christgau's!

I've scanned the front & back of the cassette in

sert for The Blow Up In case anyone who doesn't have them wants to read 
m, here:
Or tinyurl versions of 
the same lin
ks, as MM/TV list emails sometimes fail to have long URLs fu
lly highlighted


On Monday, February 24, 2014 7:05:20 AM, Steve R
ovner <serovner@mi
ndspring.com> wrote:


Does he still
 have cassettes?
Or a first generation copy?  Would be nice to get copi

nal Message-----
>From: Dennis D <dend@nyc.rr.com>

>Sent: Feb 23, 2014
9:33 PM
>To: tv@obbard.com
>Subject: Re: (TV) 
The man who recorded the
original "Arrow" boot says:
>There was a t
aper back in the day that d
id a lot of mail order stuff under
>the nam
e of Charles R Ackers a/k/a C
>I always though he recorded tha
t show. I had a copy of it well
before it was
>released as a bootleg. I
 can't remember Crackers real nam
e though,
>I haven't seen him since l
ike 1980.
>Subject: RE: (TV) T
he man who recorded the original "Ar
row" boot says:
>Was his name Dan
.  I believe I know who he is.

>But thanks, I had no idea the Arrow
boot was the Roslyn show.

>Scott Simpson
>212 795 2846
-----Original Message-----

>From: tv-owner@obbard.com [mailto:tv-owner@ob
bard.com] On Behalf Of 
>Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014
4:21 PM
>To: tv@obb
>Subject: (TV) The man who recorded the orig
inal "Arrow" boot 
>I moved to New York in the spring of 197
7, following a 
weekend jaunt which
>included a trip to CBGB for a first t
aste of live
>Returning to Ohio, I spent a trial night in an
at The Plaza in
>Cleveland recently vacated by an aspiring Cont
 As I surveyed the
>frozen parking lot next morning to make sure m
y St
udebaker was still there,
>I decided that if I was going to move some
lace scary and bleak, I might as
>well think big. But by the time I got

back to Manhattan, Richard Lloyd was
>in rehab in preparation for Tele
ion's European debut, so almost a year
>passed before I got the cha
nce fo
r a recharge.
>When show day finally came I hid my Nakamichi 550
 in the b
ottom of a
>crumpled bag of thrift store shirts and set out f
or Long Isla
nd, where the
>expected fireworks ensued. A couple of year
s later a frien
d with a mail
>order record business (another big Telev
ision fan) suggest
ed a bootleg of
>the big night. Most of them went to
 an exporter he worke
d with, but I would
>visit Bleecker Bob in the We
st Village a couple of t
imes a week to sell to
>this notorious cheapsk
ate, a pitiful few copies a
t a time. Although it was a
>steady seller 
in his shop, he refused to tie
up his working capital. He
>always compl
ained about the cover, too.
t some point, Neil Cooper of ROIR decide
d to make a play for the cassette

>masters, advising my partner in cri
me that he intended to reissue with
>without our cooperation. We eve
ntually gave in, surprising Verlaine w
ith a
>modest royalty payment th
e next time he came around to unload disp
>from his record col
lection - like the L'Intrepide Bavon Marie M
arie LP I
>took home. When
ever our little project is mentioned, there's a
lways a
>disclaimer tha
t the original vinyl boot sounds better than the B
low Up
>reissue. Wel
l, we tried. Disc mastering was done at an upper crus
t Hollywood
blishment when Lindsey Buckingham had finally run out of
coke and gone

>home for the day, the metal stampers came from Europadisk
, the first

>high-end facility of its kind in the US. I also rejected tes
t pressings
>three boroughs plants before I found one in outer Jerse
y that c
ould handle
>grooves narrowed by the twenty-five minutes per side
ng time. It was
>only as I was preparing this post that I discovere
d T
he Blow Up omits Poor
>Circulation, Arrow's rarest gem.

>arrow (bootleg)
>double exposure f-85 (1980)
>01 Fire Engine

>02 Poor Circulation 5.31
>03 Little Johnny Jewel 14.44
>04 K
ckin' On Heaven's Door 8.07
>05 Prove It 5.20
>06 Friction 4.58

>07 (
I Can't Get No) Satisfaction 7.11
 du Mond
e said...
>Being that "mail order" dealer
>referred to here,
 I can veri
fy that the author (who was always an extremely
>tasteful g
entleman,and t
hough we're out of touch,one of the persons in my
I will always hav
e a warm spot for) took exceptional effort to asure a

>quality release. W
e were proud when Tom Verlaine wanted to "legitimi
ze" the
>recording, and
it was mainly done for the love of the music. T
he "master"
>was sold for
a very nominal fee to ROIR, and indeed,severa
l royalty payments
>were ma
de directly to the artist.(I embarassingly 
refused a 20% "tip" Tom
ed me, and some of my mail order custome
rs got a unique bonus when
ine defaced the covers of the Italian
 "Eno demos" LPs I had by writing
egends such as "the info about the
se recordings is pure bull.." on each and

>every cover!) And I still l
isten to a Bavon Marie Marie LP I also got w
>purchasing one of Tom
's collections!!
>found here:


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