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Re: (TV) Just to Clarify my joke



That heckler came so close to getting an old fashioned beatdown he has no idea. My younger brother was in the audience and is very protective of me and was working his way toward the guy when the heckler stopped. His heckling was not even good, he yelled you stink, that’s all he had, you stink. It did throw me off a bit, but I don't think it showed, and I cut my set short by one story. I felt things were going pretty good and I was thrown a little off track. To be honest I did feel it might have been you Leo, because you asked me if I'd ever been heckled in our email exchange pre show. Glad to hear it wasn't. Supposedly a friend heard the heckler say he wanted to have the whole "punk rock experience" by heckling me. A friend of mine spoke to the guy and said "hey I understand you don't like the guy but at least let him finish his set" and the guy said "you want to go outside" My friend would have destroyed him but realized it was useless to continue interacting with the guy. The heckler with with a woman so knowing you were there with your girlfriend only pointed at you as the suspected heckler.

I would have been very disappointed if it was you Leo because I always thought we were ok, not best friends but always friendly.

Nice to hear that others give Tom some credit for having something to do with Television's output.



Dennis wrote
Thanks, I thought it went pretty well but after 15 years of doing this I
got my first heckler. I think I know who it was even, weird."

Just so there's no misunderstanding (I know Dennis already knows what I'm
about to say): That single heckler was not me.  The heckler was standing
right in front of the huge speaker on Dennis' right (about 2nd row from
stage). I was with my girlfriend standing directly in front of T.V.'s mic in
8th "row" of standees during Dennis' entire performance. I think the heckler
had a beard and longish hair (and was, of course, very drunk).

Leo
-----Original Message-----
From: tv-owner@obbard.com [mailto:tv-owner@obbard.com] On Behalf Of Leo
Casey
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 10:49 AM
To: tv@obbard.com
Subject: RE: (TV) Television

Dennis, please don't leave. If you do I won't heckle your performances
anymore! :>)  (I was there Sunday night.)

Seriously, there are a lot (majority of people) on this List who don't agree
with Jay's analysis.

Leo



-----Original Message-----
From: tv-owner@obbard.com [mailto:tv-owner@obbard.com] On Behalf Of Dennis D
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 7:47 AM
To: tv@obbard.com
Subject: Re: (TV) Television

Days is their most influential song??????? Wow, well that's says it all,
Richard WAS Television and Tom had nothing to do with them being a good
band, in your opinion.
If the one song Richard gets writing credit on is their most influential to
you makes it very clear how you feel about the band. Richard talked to you,
so of course his side of things must be correct.
I've never met anyone who thought Days was their most influential song
before.
I'm going to bow out of this thread because I like both Richard and Tom and
I'm not going to defend one and slag the other. In fact it may be time to
leave the list.
The Richard camp is just too happy to slag Tom because Richard talked to
them once or twice. See ya.




Their current fans seem to think differently, at least as far as I can tell
doing so shows with them and seeing how the audience has reacted since
Richard left.


I hope nobody around here misunderstands my feelings about the band.

Truth be told it's A story of squandered genius and verlaines insane ego

Seriously ask yourself which song on the first two albums was the most
influential song had the greatest impact?  Was it Tom's stones influenced
songs?

No it was a modest song called days

The blueprint of REM's first two if not three albums very influential to the

go-betweens and extremely influential across-the-board going to the 80s and
forward for that type of music

Richard is the member of the band who anticipated and influenced a good
portion of the 80s--not Tom

I do not think that I am giving away any confidences to say that I spoke to
Richard and he's told me that he strongly pushed for television to tour up
and down the East Coast in 78 and Tom pushed back

The reason I have a problem with Verlane is because I've met many remains in

my life and they're not fun people to be around extremely controlling people

always hurt those who are around them

I understand why Billy and Fred and even rip are willing to bite their
tongue's because they probably don't have a lot of money and this is a way
to make a little bit of money
but they are slaves to a crazy controlling person who hasn't really shared
much of his genius with us in 30 years

The funny thing is that when you see these guys play --whether it was Lloyd
back in the 90s or the early 2000's or rip now, you realize that most of the

solos were Richards

In my opinion the tragedy of television is that Richard was such a fucking
mess back then that he could rally nobody behind him, and Tom is such a
psychological manipulative person that he's always had Billy and Fred on his

side

I'm not saying that Richard hasn't been the author of his own destruction
because he has and I've seen him in person acting like a nut

all I'm saying is that if Tom had not been such an ego maniac control freak
and had opened his mind television could've been huge

And as talented as rip is, and he is,I've seen enough television shows and
watched enough YouTube videos to see that he does not bring out the best of
Verlaine like Richard did

For me the best the original band has ever done since their first go around
was 1880 or so live

That is the essence of television





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