Re: (TV) rap-beat of the street/beat of the heart..it's B-E-A-T....../ Nostalgia ain't what it used to be.....pining for the 70's.

["MICHAEL CARLUCCI" <subterraneannyc@mindspring.com>]

>How about Richard Hell getting of his meager laurels and really creating?
>

    Ironically, Hell was just here with daughter Ruby to do a little
shopping.
I asked him what's he got going on. He was just offered another book deal
which
he's going to start putting together. This one seems to be more along the
lines
of what you might expect from Richard, drawings, poetry, essays, and the
like.
For those of you who live in the city, sometime in mid-February there's
going to
be a film festival happening where Richard's 20 minute Theresa Stern will be
shown.
One more reasdon to check this out is because Verlaine wrote the soundtrack
and as
far as I know the only place you can hear it is if you go see the film. I'll
have the
exact details when they get closer to the date. Theguywho's running it
bought a bunch 
of videos from us and told us that he'd drop off some posters and flyers for
the event.
He's also trying to get some of these guys to perform. Quine has declined,
Hell might 
show up, even if he doesn't, his TS film will be shown regardless. So try to
make it.

    To the comments surrounding the Rap issue. I wasn't trying to put anyone
down or on
the defense. I just thought that there'd be a bit more open-mindedness going
on here
instead of the generalizations. I could be wrong, but I was sure that what
I've been
reading, to sum it all up is that if you've heard one rap artist you've
heard them all.
That to me is a very sad way to see/hear it. And speaking of Hell, does
anyone think
about his song "Destiny Street" as a sort of Rap number with it's repetitive
beat and song
structure coupled with his talking over the beat? I use to spin that record
as a dj when
it came out. I had no problem playing it after a Sugarhill Gang track, or
West Street Mob.
To me it was all music with a beat with someone rapping over it. I would
even go so far
as to say that Verlaine's "Kaleidoscopin'" just might fit the Rap
mold.(Oops! did I just
write that?) Gotta go now, M T C


>ray wrote:
>
>> Well said Michael !
>> This debate has inadvertently opened a REAL can of worms....I've been very
>> surprised (even shocked) by some of the comments I've read over the last
>> couple of days.It will certainly make me look on the future posts of some
>> people on the list in a new light!....I'm very glad that i resisted the urge
>> (mostly)to reply to some of the more rabid postings...no easy feat....anyway
>> here's a final thought in an attempt to lighten proceedings somewhat...Puff
>> Daddy covering
>> "Yonki Time"   :)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: MICHAEL CARLUCCI <subterraneannyc@mindspring.com>
>> To: tv@obbard.com <tv@obbard.com>; tv@obbard.com <tv@obbard.com>
>> Date: 09 January 2000 21:42
>> Subject: Re: (TV) rap
>>
>> >    Maybe because most of those who don't really listen to rap or
>> >contemporary R&B, hip-hop and the like hate "Rap" and seem to lump
>> >all the catagories together. There are big differences in all genre's.
>> >It's like saying that Smokey Robinson and James Brown both played soul
>> >music or that Funkadelic and The Temptations were R&B. I've always felt
>> >that H A T E is a very strong word. How can you hate something or someone
>> >that
>> >you do not understand? I may not like what Lou Reed does these days but I
>> >certainly do not hate him. I have no reason to. I'll give him credit for
>> >staying alive, getting great guitar sounds, and even still being active.
>> >Now all he has to do is remember how to sing again like he use to when
>> >he was in the Velvets. He seems to have for gotten that. Ever since Walk On
>> >The
>> >Wild Side he's been talking his way thru his LP's. I'm getting off track
>> >here.
>> >I just wish that before people would dismiss Rap that they'd at least know
>> >it first. Like with classical music. I can't comment either way on
>> classical
>> >or Jazz really for that matter because I really don't know either genre
>> well
>> >enough. Neither one interests me enough, but I would never say that they're
>> >not
>> >any good or that it's garbage. Have all the neigh-sayers really listened to
>> >rap music or have they just heard the raps and turned it off saying, Oh I
>> >hate
>> >rap music. I'm really curious about this. To lump Lauryn Hill in with
>> Public
>> >
>> >Enemy is ludicrous, they're at different ends of the spectrum. Give me
>> >Lauryn
>> >any day over Whitney Houston and her "Aye ye aye ye yah" screechings any
>> >day.
>> >At least Lauryn's keeping it at the street level which is what I've always
>> >preferred in my musical taste. That's how TV, Voidoids, and Patti made an
>> >impression on me. Street level rock with a thinkman's approach. Not an easy
>> >thing to do without complicating matters. Sorry for all this babbling. H A
>> T
>> >E
>> >words often do this to me. Thanks for the forum. M T C
>>
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