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Re: (TV) rap-beat of the street/beat of the heart..it's B-E-A-T....../ Nostalgia ain't what it used to be.....pining for the 70's.

>Michael's posting shows an admirable generosity and makes me want to 
>reevaluate my rash pronouncement that rap "blows". There certainly is a lot
>of music I know zilch about, and, yup, rap is one. The temptation in this
>medium to blurt out strong opinions is hard to pass up sometimes,
>knowing/hoping it will provoke a discussion just like this one. I'll try to
>listen with more open ears in the future. This has definitely been a thought
>provoking argument.
    When Rap first emerged in the late 70's I think that everyone felt a bit
threatened by it. Afterall, it was all about attitude. Urban attitude, a
day inner city blues genre. Black folks speaking their minds. At the same
you had "Punk Rock" also a threatening force. I dare Mick jagger to tell me
he didn't feel the slightest bit insecure when Johnny "Rotten" Lydon and Joe
didn't call him an old fart. It certainly put the Stones' backs against the
wall to
where they had no choice but to make a great record, which I think they did
"Some Girls". But could you imagine if someone said that all punk rock
sounds the
same? If you took the some closed minded AOR fan and played him/her for the
time The Pistols, the Clash, and say the Buzzcocks, their first impression
might be
"they all sound the same, loud, fast, and out of tune". And I could see why
might think/hear that. To me it was the attitude, the spirit if you will
that really 
made it all very exciting. I couldn't stand going to the big arena shows to
watch Robert
Plant wiggle his arse while Pagey did one of his self-indulgent mindless
solos. The emotion was all gone by this point. The "Punk Rock" thing made
music exciting
again. Something for someone like me relate to. I could never relate to
arena shows.

    I don't want to sound like I'm separating the 2 genre's here, Iam
definitely not.
All I'm saying is that while most of us may not have been able to relate to
what rappers
were rapping to, it doesn't mean that we could feel the attitude just like
we could
feel the attitude in what the Punks were saying. Just like with the blues
way back
when. I have no idea what it's like to be pickin' a bail of cotton, or what
being on the
chain gang is like, but I can certainly feel the frustration the singer is
to convey. If I can't then what business do I have listening to music. To
me, it's
all about feelings and emotions. If you have no feeling, no emotion then
just a machine. Thanks guys again for letting me ramble. M T C

>>>    Maybe because most of those who don't really listen to rap or
>>>contemporary R&B, hip-hop and the like hate "Rap" and seem to lump
>>>all the catagories together. There are big differences in all genre's.
>>>It's like saying that Smokey Robinson and James Brown both played soul
>>>music or that Funkadelic and The Temptations were R&B. I've always felt
>>>that H A T E is a very strong word. How can you hate something or someone
>>>you do not understand? I may not like what Lou Reed does these days but I
>>>certainly do not hate him. I have no reason to. I'll give him credit for
>>>staying alive, getting great guitar sounds, and even still being active.
>>>Now all he has to do is remember how to sing again like he use to when
>>>he was in the Velvets. He seems to have for gotten that. Ever since Walk On
>>>Wild Side he's been talking his way thru his LP's. I'm getting off track
>>>I just wish that before people would dismiss Rap that they'd at least know
>>>it first. Like with classical music. I can't comment either way on
>> classical
>>>or Jazz really for that matter because I really don't know either genre
>> well
>>>enough. Neither one interests me enough, but I would never say that they're
>>>any good or that it's garbage. Have all the neigh-sayers really listened to
>>>rap music or have they just heard the raps and turned it off saying, Oh I
>>>rap music. I'm really curious about this. To lump Lauryn Hill in with
>> Public
>>>Enemy is ludicrous, they're at different ends of the spectrum. Give me
>>>any day over Whitney Houston and her "Aye ye aye ye yah" screechings any
>>>At least Lauryn's keeping it at the street level which is what I've always
>>>preferred in my musical taste. That's how TV, Voidoids, and Patti made an
>>>impression on me. Street level rock with a thinkman's approach. Not an easy
>>>thing to do without complicating matters. Sorry for all this babbling. H A
>> T
>>>words often do this to me. Thanks for the forum. M T C
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