Did you go and see them doing the galaxie 500 stuff in Glasgow at Stereo
recently Graham ? I was meant to be recording it but it turned out the missus
had already got something arranged for that night so I was stuck in with the
kids instead. The stuff on you tube looks great
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 12:02:00 +0100
From: gurquhart@madasafish.com
To: tv@obbard.com
CC: pobbard@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Quite a Statement / RE: (TV) OT: Luna& Dean Wareham
Interesting discussion. I enjoyed the Wareham book although it wasn't
quite as bitchy as i'd been led to expect. One of the better and
honestly written 'rock' memoirs though. Also saw the 13 Most Beautiful
show in Dunfermline which was one of the best i've seen, especially when
they encored with Tugboat and Strange. Overall , personally prefer the
Galaxie 500 albums over Luna. Much more cohesive I think and an
endearing shambolic-ness (is that a word?) about them. I do like a lot
of the Luna output but like Phil, feel you could condense it down to one
or two really brilliant albums. Of course MM and Adventure are both
cohesive really brilliant albums :). Also like the Dean and Britta albums.
Graham
On 29/04/2011 03:33, Phil Obbard wrote:
I got into Luna with PENTHOUSE (thanks to Verlaine's cameo); I lost
interest
with their "new" material at DAYS OF OUR NIGHTS but continued to see them
live
whenever possible, right up to their last 2 shows in 2005. I was at the
Bastille
Day show used for part of LIVE. Much more recently, I read Wareham's bio
(which
I enjoyed) and it led me to finally discover the pleasures of ROMANTICA,
which I
recommend.
I still listen to Luna frequently. I was enough of a diehard to collect
many of
their 7" singles, compilation appearances, etc., even if still haven't
gotten
around to picking-up RENDEZVOUS or the last two Wareham/Phillips efforts.
Lots
of good stuff was hidden away on EPs, b-sides, soundtracks, etc, like
their
covers of "Ride into the Sun", "Indian Summer", "In the Flesh", "Neon
Lights",
the original "Fuzzy Wuzzy", and originals like "Dear Paulina".
Anyway: I don't think Luna's recorded output is superior to Television's
and/or
the Velvet Underground. I think it's good but very inconsistent; I think
Wareham
had a more limited set of musical ideas than Verlaine or Reed/Cale and
stretched
out over 7 Luna albums it wears thin. While I too wish there were more to
Television's studio catalog, I think there's more musical (and lyrical)
ideas
packed into MARQUEE MOON (or TOM VERLAINE, or FLASHLIGHT) than 2-3 Luna
albums
combined.
But, even when their albums were so-so, Luna was a great band to see live
(at
all stages in their line-up). They definitely share that with Television.
--Phil
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From: Andrew<andrewmfc@aol.com>
To: tv@obbard.com
Sent: Thu, April 28, 2011 4:55:16 PM
Subject: Re: Quite a Statement / RE: (TV) OT: Luna& Dean Wareham
Well Leo, with list activity being at pretty much a ten-year high I just
thought I'd throw a cat in amongst the pigeons with that statement and see
if
we can crash the server... :-)
I'll go further and say that I think that taken as a whole Luna's
recorded
output is superior to Television AND the Velvet Underground, by virtue of
there being so much more of it, most of at least an arguably good
standard.
There are few bigger fans of Verlaine/Lloyd than I (and I'm wagering
they're
all on this list) but for all the heights they reached it's a crying pity
that
there's so damn little of it. Whenever I have old friends over for drinks
on
a rainy night they all groan "not again" whenever I put on Marquee Moon.
It's
the Stairway to Heaven of 70s NYC punk. Great, yes. But played out. But
my
friends will all grin and nod like idiots when a Luna album cut like
Sideshow
by the Seashore comes on. I truly believe that Wareham and Sean Eden are
criminally underappreciated as guitar players.
Dean seems to be a polarizing figure with many and the haters will all
point
to his obvious influences and say he ripped them off (Television, the
Velvets,
the Feelies) or used them to lend some sort of legitimacy of illusion of
some
sort of NY legacy to his band by having the likes of T.V. and Sterling
Morrison play on Luna records. They may have a point. But I do know that
I
have only wept in near ecstasy at one band's concerts and it wasn't
Television.
-----Original Message-----
From: Leo Casey<LeoCasey@comcast.net>
To: tv<tv@obbard.com>
Sent: Thu, Apr 28, 2011 3:11 pm
Subject: Quite a Statement / RE: (TV) OT: Luna& Dean Wareham
imho Wareham is a genius songwriter and he and
Sean Eden in Luna
are every bit the guitar playing equals of Verlaine/Lloyd,
with a discography
that dwarfs theirs.
You've really thrown down the gauntlet there Andrew.
I'm glad it's your humble opinion because I think your nuts :>)
(despite the fact that I'm a big Luna fan).
Leo
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