Re: Some Answers On Rip(p) / RE: (TV) How good a guitarist is Jimmy Rip?

[Rex Broome <rexbroome@gmail.com>]

The first time I found a non-TV related Ripp credit was on an album (or I
guess it turns out to be an EP) by The Beat, who for a long time I only knew
as the American band that caused the English Beat to have to be called The
English Beat.  Eventually I got to know their music by reputation as Paul
Collins' band and I do have a copy of their self-titled record (no Jimmy on
there).  Just found a little bit about that particular phase of the band
with Jimmy (and Jay Dee!)  from Wiki:

With an overhauled New York City line-up (Conway and Whitman were replaced
> by Patti Smith <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patti_Smith> drummer Jay Dee
> Daugherty <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Dee_Daugherty> and Television<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_(band)>
> /Tom Verlaine <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Verlaine> guitarist Jimmy
> Ripp <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Ripp>), the group reclaimed the
> name "The Beat" and released the 5 song 12" Mini-Album To Beat or Not To
> Beat in 1983 on the independent Jem/Passport label in the U.S.. One song
> from the album, "Dance, Dance", was made into a music video in 1984 and
> received limited exposure on MTV. To Beat or Not To Beat, with an additional
> song, was released in Europe where the group relocated (and would remain for
> the next several years) to promote the release and tour.


Interestingly there and in several other places in the Wiki article on Paul
Collins' Beat, Jimmy is referred to as "future Television guitarist", so
somebody has been paying attention.




On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Leo Casey <LeoCasey@comcast.net> wrote:

> Verlaine found Rip/Ripp about a month before the Dreamtime tour, after
> auditioning many guitarists. Ripp was one of the guitarists in Kid Creole
> And The Coconuts for at least two albums.  He has played on Mick Jagger'[s
> solo records, and a record paying homage to Jerry Lee Lewis. He been a
> producer of other artists' records as well as a long-time studio session
> man.
> See this link for more details:
> http://allmusic.com/artist/jimmy-rip-p146271/credits
>
> However, because of confusion over his name Rip versus Ripp, the above link
> does not list his contributions prior to 1985 nor to the Verlaine albums
> Words From The Front, Cover, Flash Light, nor The Wonder.
>
> He has at least one solo record, 1996's Way Past Blue:
> http://allmusic.com/album/way-past-blue-r233028   Has anyone ever heard
> it?
> (Unfortunately, the link does not give any samples.)  You can find the cd
> on
> e-bay for as little as $1; I just bought a copy.
>
> From the MM Mailing List Archives:
> To: tv@obbard.com
> Subject: (TV) Jimmy Rip
> From: secretX@webtv.net
> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 17:30:48 -0700 (PDT)
> Reply-to: tv@obbard.com
> Sender: tv-owner@obbard.com
>
> Jimmy Rip was born in Brooklyn and considers himself a New Yorker because
> all his friends are in New York except for a few people like LA producers
> and guitar technicians Pierre de Beauport and Dave Rouze.  Jimmy doesn't
> much like LA but he occasionally goes to LA and San Francisco to work on
> projects.  He prefers to live in NYC and work with Tom.  His blues album
> Way
> Past Blue was recorded in LA and in the Rolling Stones Mobile Unit Two when
> it was parked near Jagger's place in  Switzerland. On Tom's early solo
> albums he was Ripp.  He is now known as Rip because of a typo made by Mick
> Jagger when writing out song writing credits, kind of like Keith Richards
> being re-named Keith Richard by an early manager.  Rip contributed a lot to
> Jagger's Wandering Spirit, which was recorded in LA where Jagger is
> probably
> planning to record his next solo album, which would take Rip from Verlaine
> for awhile. [End of Ms SecretX first e-mail quote]
>
>
> To: tv@obbard.com
> Subject: (TV) Wandering Spirit
> From: secretX@webtv.net
> Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 14:10:25 -0700 (PDT)
> Reply-to: tv@obbard.com
> Sender: tv-owner@obbard.com
>
> It shouldn't boggle the mind that Jagger's solo record "Wandering Spirit"
> is
> great. Jimmy Rip did most of the arrangements, co-wrote some of the songs,
> chose the musicians, and played most of the guitar. Jimmy had been working
> with Verlaine for over ten years and he brought what he'd learned from Tom
> to Jagger's record. (Not that Jimmy wasn't talented to begin with.) [End of
> Ms SecretX second e-mail quote]
>
>
> I saw him play with Verlaine about 15 times on Verlaine's solo tours in
> 1981-82, 1984, and 1987 as well as one of the 'Music For Film' shows in
> Boston.  He played lead on several of the songs (e.g., the outro-lead on
> 'Mr. Blur' and sometimes on 'Always'.  The guitarists on the MM Mailing
> List
> can give their own evaluations of his technical prowess (and hopefully if
> they are in the pro-Lloyd anti-Verlaine camp they will try to be
> objective).
>
>
> Based on my  attendance at the above shows as well as a multitude of
> unofficial live recordings of Verlaine's Solo Tours, I  would rate Rip as a
> guitarist as an 8 out of 10 (but I'm a 'hard' grader.)   I would agree
> there's more to his playing than competence.
>
> He is given co-writing credit for Verlaine's 1984 masterpiece 'Five Miles
> Of
> You' [the complete, uncut 5:36 version {see The Miller's Tale cd-2 studio
> stuff. On the Cover cd, the song is truncated at only 4:19, probably as a
> result of a mistake during the cd mastering process (so 1:17 of solo and
> fadeout has been chopped off).
>
> I will report back when Rip's solo album arrives.
>
> Leo
>
> PS:  Regarding:  " If that song ['Persia'] are[sic] to be included on a 4th
> record, will Lloyd be credited as a co-writer?"
> Yes.
>
> "Will he be denied it?"
> No.
>
> "Will Lloyd, proud as he may be, deny to be in any way associated with a
> 4th
> record?"
> Who knows.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tv-owner@obbard.com [mailto:tv-owner@obbard.com] On Behalf Of leif
> joley
> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 9:54 AM
> To: tv@obbard.com
> Subject: (TV) How good a guitarist is Jimmy Rip?
>
> This was an interesting little analysis. What do we know about the
> abilities
> of Jimmy Rip (or "Ribb")? Is anyone familiar with his assignments outside
> the
> Television/TV circle?
>
> Doesn't it raise some questions, if there will be more touring and possibly
> a new record?
>
> - Is Rip merely a good session player and an imitator of any style, which
> could mean a "hack musician"?
>
> - Or does he have his own idiosyncrasies in playing? Could we expect an
> addition of... something else than a Lloyd input? Not necessarily anything
> better -- but different?
>
> - Judging from the often excellent guitar-work he's done with Verlaine
> (especially, in my opinion, on "Flash Light" and "Music For Films"),
> there's
> more to his playing than just competence. Do we really expect Tom Verlaine
> to
> just be happy with a "competent" co-player? Or, for that matter, Smith and
> Ficca? Or do we expect these two adult men to not have a say at all,
> regarding
> Television's future?
>
> - Since the reunion LP credited all members for the music -- could we
> assume
> the same if a new record will be released? Does Rip have any known
> composing
> skills? For instance -- to me, a song like "Persia" seems to have been
> created
> during group rehearsals. They still play it, and it emerged long before Rip
> joined. If that song are to be included on a 4th record, will Lloyd be
> credited as a co-writer? Will he be denied it? Will Lloyd, proud as he may
> be,
> deny to be in any way associated with a 4th record?
>
> Leif J, Sweden
>
>
>
> >
> > >
> > > The interview shows a more purposefulness in the band. The last item
> showing them playing LJJ reveals new subtleties in a new arrangement.
> Rip playing new rifs and adding atmospheric slide guitar. Rip can
> imitate any guitarist he wants and it seems that he can play some
> "Verlainisms" even better than Tom. We've been down this road before -
> but maybe just maybe a new records might be in the offing.
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