Re: (TV) Torn Curtain

[postitnote <postitnote@sbcglobal.net>]

Thanks for all this info Leo.  I knew that you would have all the answ
ers.  And I went back and found the listing that you sent me earlier f
or the dates of them playing Torn Curtain.  So thanks again for that t
oo.

It's a shame that Tom has in his mind that the slower songs don't 
go over well w/ his audiences so tends to leave them out.  I mean, mos
t bands usually mix up their shows w/some slower ones between the rockin' o
nes.  But from what you mentioned Andy said about playing TC live, I g
uess he felt somewhat similar w/ that song.  And I would be curious as
 to which version Russ was referring to that sounded almost 'metal'. ha!


Deb



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 From: Leo Casey <LeoC
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Subject: RE: (TV) Torn Curtain
 

Deb aka postitnote wrote:

> The TC that was the bonus track on their CD of MM is listed at 7:10.
  
>Does anyone know if there are any longer recorded versions out t
here?  Leo?
>Anyone? There exist only 10 known live recordings of 'T
orn Curtain' from
>1975 through 2012 (i.e., I am excluding Television's 2
013 "World" Tour).

None of these 10 exceed the length the studio versi
on (both Men With Beards
vinyl version, and Remastered cd 2004 version on
 the album marquee Moon are
6:58 [not 7:10 as the liner notes say].


The song first appeared on a recording June 12 (or 13 or 14), 1975 at CBGBs
.

The longest of these 10 is 6:27on Feb.16, 1976, CBGBs.  Whereas
 on the
current tour the November 7, 2013, The Georgia Theater, Athens, G
eorgia show
has a 7:30.6 version (excluding tuning-up).  

More 
from MM List Archives on 'Torn Curtain':

On May 17, 2011 on the Marque
e Moon Mailing List, Andy Fekete wrote:  
"After my band and I rehea
rsed the song ‘Torn Curtain’ over and over for
literally 
months and playing it live a dozen times  (see
http://www.youtube.co
m/watch?vgiven our limitations as musicians, 'Torn Curtain’ is a
particula
rly challenging tune to play live, especially if you try to remain
faithf
ul to the tone and arrangement of the original LP version. It’s not

that the tune is technically difficult—we could deal with that. 
It’s just
that in a live-setting, [an] overly long and dreary arr
angement is a
buzz-kill for all but the most die-hard fans.

"In the 
few live Television recordings I've heard of ‘Torn Curtain’
, it
sounded to me like the band was tinkering with the feel of the song,
 trying
to increase its live appeal.  One of the more successful liv
e versions I
heard sounded almost metal.  It was quite good, though 
distinctly different
from the LP version.".

On May 17, Russ of the M
arquee Moon Mailing List responded, "The rhythmic,
pull-up octave licks
—I’m a guitar player but I don’t know what they��re
supposed to be called—always sounded to me like a distre
ssed cat meowing
over and over again.  Best part of the song in my o
pinion!". 

Leo 

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Curtain

I might not be as precise as Leo but I clock that Athens, Geor
gia version of
TC in at about 7:33.  The TC that was the bonus track
 on their CD of MM is
listed at 7:10.  Does anyone know if there are
 any longer recorded versions
out there?  Leo?  Anyone?  A
lso, I just love the delicate sounding ending
they put on this one.


And I know that they were supposed to recreate the album for that Australia
n
ATP show but I wish that they would mix up the songs more at the other 
shows
and play some more off their other albums too.  But then I gue
ss most people
who come to their shows want to hear MM.  I'd prefer 
to hear the rarely
played ones, but they do sound good as a band.

An
d sorry to disagree w/ you Glenn, but I just find Psychotic Reaction
'dul
lsville'.


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