Re: (TV) Leave Hell out please, and de-emphasize the punk-rock NYC scene, concentrate on the 331/3 rpm album itself

[Russ <russvr@gmail.com>]

I think it is not too far off track to say that Television - went
through sort of a "punk" stage early on . I cite the song "Double
Exposure"
-  a mean snarly ditty, full of aggression and snottiness. Are not
those "punk" attributes. It's counting angel on the head of a pin
though when you get down to it.


On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 12:46 PM,  <heathbiter@aol.com> wrote:
>  Interesting thoughts Leo.
>
> I am definitely curious to read the 33 1/3 book.  A lot of the 33 1/3s I've
> read have been very personal and impressionistic, and rarely a dead on
> dissection of an individual album.  I imagine Hell's archives could certainly
> provide some insight to a a time and place that were crucial building blocks
> in the creation of Marquee Moon.  Even if the book is a dead on analysis of
> the album, Hell can probably provide some info on the genesis of several of
> the songs.  Not to mention some insight into some relevant characters who are
> usually tight-lipped or have selective memory.
>
> As far as "punk rock"...  I think that label can be pretty subjective.  (I
> once googled "the original punk" and the results were hilarious!)  Saying I
> like 70's NY punk usually makes it pretty clear to people what I listen to.
> To me it's an umbrella that covers a scene/movement and a lot of very diverse
> bands.  Television will always be linked to punk rock for a lot of reasons.
>
> Heath
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Leo Casey <LeoCasey@comcast.net>
> To: tv@obbard.com
> Sent: Tue, Apr 26, 2011 8:53 pm
> Subject: (TV) Leave Hell out please, and de-emphasize the punk-rock NYC scene,
> concentrate on the 331/3 rpm album itself
>
>
>> 1970s. The author relied heavily on the papers Hell sold to
>
>> NYU a few years ago;
>
>> I believe this will be the first Television-related book to
>
>> make use of that
>
>> archive. Should be interesting!
>
>
>
> I guess my serious concern is that a book on the album Marquee Moon should
>
> really have nothing
>
> in it at all about Richard Hell.  He didn't play one note on it, nor write any
>
> of its songs.
>
> He was gone by late March - early April 1975 from Television.
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>
>
> If this author uses Hell's archives as filler at the expense of an analysis of
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> the album itself
>
> he will be a lazy &!!!*$#@%!
>
>
>
> Also:  Television 1976-78 were not a punk-rock band, and the album Marquee
> Moon
>
> had/has nothing
>
> to do with punk-rock,  So, if the author spends a lot of time looking back at
>
> the punk-rock
>
> scene in NYC he will have missed the boat (made out of ocean). (Yeah I
> know....
>
> Television
>
> shared the bill with punk-rock bands ... so what.)
>
>
>
> I'm sure I'll get a lot of disagreement on the above, but the onus is on you
> to
>
> prove that
>
> Verlaine's songs, lyrics, melodies, ideas, guitar solos!!, and song-lengths
> have
>
> anything to
>
> with punk-rock.  Maybe if someone asked me on a warm Tuesday in February
>
> underneath a marquee
>
> moon on Cornelia Street I might say 'See No Evil'  is somewhat in the
> punk-rock
>
> vein given its
>
> very fast tempo, but even 'See No Evil' 's lyrics are poetic/impressionistic
>
> ...'romantic'
>
> even.
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>
>
> Leo
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>
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> SEE NO EVIL (Verlaine)
>
>
>
> What I want
>
> I want NOW
>
> and it's a whole lot more
>
> than 'anyhow'
>
> I want to fly
>
> fly a fountain
>
> I want to jump jump jump
>
> jump a mountain
>
>
>
> l understand all... I SEE NO...
>
> destructive urges... I SEE NO...
>
> It seems so perfect... I SEE NOO...
>
> I SEE... I SEE NO... I SEE NO EVIL
>
>
>
> I get ideas
>
> I get a notion
>
> I want a nice little boat
>
> made out of ocean.
>
> I get your point.
>
> You're so sharp.
>
> Getting good reactions
>
> with your ''BeBo'' talk.
>
>
>
> Don't say unconscious
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> No don't say doom.
>
> If you got to say it
>
> let me leave this room
>
> Cuz what I want
>
> I want now
>
> and it's a whole lot more
>
> than 'anyhow.'
>
>
>
> I'm runnin wild with the one i love
>
> I see no evil
>
> I'm runnin wild with the one-eyed ones
>
> I see no evil
>
> Pull down the future with the one you love
>
> Pull down the future
>
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