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Re: (TV) Leave Hell out please, and de-emphasize the punk-rock NYC scene, concentrate on the 331/3 rpm album itself



In addition, the early Television "look"  - the chopped hair, ragged
clothes, torn t-shirt - all inspired by Verlaine/Hell heroes
Rimbaud/Paul Verlaine - was an aspiration to look bohemian and was
mistaken by the media as being "punk".

On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Russ <russvr@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think it is not too far off track to say that Television - went
> through sort of a "punk" stage early on . I cite the song "Double
> Exposure"
> -  a mean snarly ditty, full of aggression and snottiness. Are not
> those "punk" attributes. It's counting angel on the head of a pin
> though when you get down to it.
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 12:46 PM,  <heathbiter@aol.com> wrote:
>>  Interesting thoughts Leo.
>>
>> I am definitely curious to read the 33 1/3 book.  A lot of the 33 1/3s I've
>> read have been very personal and impressionistic, and rarely a dead on
>> dissection of an individual album.  I imagine Hell's archives could certainly
>> provide some insight to a a time and place that were crucial building blocks
>> in the creation of Marquee Moon.  Even if the book is a dead on analysis of
>> the album, Hell can probably provide some info on the genesis of several of
>> the songs.  Not to mention some insight into some relevant characters who are
>> usually tight-lipped or have selective memory.
>>
>> As far as "punk rock"...  I think that label can be pretty subjective.  (I
>> once googled "the original punk" and the results were hilarious!)  Saying I
>> like 70's NY punk usually makes it pretty clear to people what I listen to.
>> To me it's an umbrella that covers a scene/movement and a lot of very diverse
>> bands.  Television will always be linked to punk rock for a lot of reasons.
>>
>> Heath
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Leo Casey <LeoCasey@comcast.net>
>> To: tv@obbard.com
>> Sent: Tue, Apr 26, 2011 8:53 pm
>> Subject: (TV) Leave Hell out please, and de-emphasize the punk-rock NYC scene,
>> concentrate on the 331/3 rpm album itself
>>
>>
>>> 1970s. The author relied heavily on the papers Hell sold to
>>
>>> NYU a few years ago;
>>
>>> I believe this will be the first Television-related book to
>>
>>> make use of that
>>
>>> archive. Should be interesting!
>>
>>
>>
>> I guess my serious concern is that a book on the album Marquee Moon should
>>
>> really have nothing
>>
>> in it at all about Richard Hell.  He didn't play one note on it, nor write any
>>
>> of its songs.
>>
>> He was gone by late March - early April 1975 from Television.
>>
>>
>>
>> If this author uses Hell's archives as filler at the expense of an analysis of
>>
>> the album itself
>>
>> he will be a lazy &!!!*$#@%!
>>
>>
>>
>> Also:  Television 1976-78 were not a punk-rock band, and the album Marquee
>> Moon
>>
>> had/has nothing
>>
>> to do with punk-rock,  So, if the author spends a lot of time looking back at
>>
>> the punk-rock
>>
>> scene in NYC he will have missed the boat (made out of ocean). (Yeah I
>> know....
>>
>> Television
>>
>> shared the bill with punk-rock bands ... so what.)
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm sure I'll get a lot of disagreement on the above, but the onus is on you
>> to
>>
>> prove that
>>
>> Verlaine's songs, lyrics, melodies, ideas, guitar solos!!, and song-lengths
>> have
>>
>> anything to
>>
>> with punk-rock.  Maybe if someone asked me on a warm Tuesday in February
>>
>> underneath a marquee
>>
>> moon on Cornelia Street I might say 'See No Evil'  is somewhat in the
>> punk-rock
>>
>> vein given its
>>
>> very fast tempo, but even 'See No Evil' 's lyrics are poetic/impressionistic
>>
>> ...'romantic'
>>
>> even.
>>
>>
>>
>> Leo
>>
>>
>>
>> SEE NO EVIL (Verlaine)
>>
>>
>>
>> What I want
>>
>> I want NOW
>>
>> and it's a whole lot more
>>
>> than 'anyhow'
>>
>> I want to fly
>>
>> fly a fountain
>>
>> I want to jump jump jump
>>
>> jump a mountain
>>
>>
>>
>> l understand all... I SEE NO...
>>
>> destructive urges... I SEE NO...
>>
>> It seems so perfect... I SEE NOO...
>>
>> I SEE... I SEE NO... I SEE NO EVIL
>>
>>
>>
>> I get ideas
>>
>> I get a notion
>>
>> I want a nice little boat
>>
>> made out of ocean.
>>
>> I get your point.
>>
>> You're so sharp.
>>
>> Getting good reactions
>>
>> with your ''BeBo'' talk.
>>
>>
>>
>> Don't say unconscious
>>
>> No don't say doom.
>>
>> If you got to say it
>>
>> let me leave this room
>>
>> Cuz what I want
>>
>> I want now
>>
>> and it's a whole lot more
>>
>> than 'anyhow.'
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm runnin wild with the one i love
>>
>> I see no evil
>>
>> I'm runnin wild with the one-eyed ones
>>
>> I see no evil
>>
>> Pull down the future with the one you love
>>
>> Pull down the future
>>
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